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    #81

    May 28, 2009, 10:04 AM

    I did mis-read that comment, I apologize. However, it still can be considered selfish in that she is only really concerned with herself.
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    #82

    May 28, 2009, 10:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BMI View Post
    However, it still can be considered selfish in that she is only really concerned with herself.
    Hello BMI:

    It is selfish, but not at the expense of anybody else. Besides, treating yourself well isn't a sin. Don't you do that when you can?

    Personally, I think that if something is good TO you, it's good FOR you. I don't suffer from guilt when I treat myself well.

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    #83

    May 28, 2009, 10:18 AM

    Good to her in which way though? Financially? Healthwise? Confidence?
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    #84

    May 28, 2009, 10:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma View Post
    Good to her in which way though? financially? Healthwise? Confidence?
    Hello again, Momma:

    All of the above. Certainly what she does is good for her financially. I don't think having an active sex life is unhealthy, and walking around with a fat bank account does wonders for your confidence.

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    #85

    May 28, 2009, 10:46 AM

    Hey Ex,

    Your take on it being selfish but only affecting her can be argued. Her job does impact others, liken it to a drug dealer. The dealer is not forcing others to use his services, but the people using his services are indeed affected by him being available.
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    #86

    May 28, 2009, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Momma:

    All of the above. Certainly what she does is good for her financially. I don't think having an active sex life is unhealthy, and walking around with a fat bank account does wonders for your confidence.

    excon
    Yes, it's good financially. There is a difference between having an active sex life and having sex with strangers that may carry god-knows-what-disease. What if she denies someone at her brothel and they wait for her outside and stab her to death? This isn't the safest job in the world, and I'm not sure why many people are overlooking the real danger of it. A fat bank account doesn't boost confidence its boost ego, which isn't always the best thing. I'm sorry if I was letting any guy with a $100 bill penetrate me, I would have ZERO confidence.
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    #87

    May 28, 2009, 10:56 AM

    $100 dollars ? Is there a blue light ( or would that be red light) sale somewhere. Having worked the street ministry, OK that may be a price for a cracked hooked junkie, but the regular working ladies just start at 300 to 400, and the better agenies are in the 1000 plus range.

    Some have health plans, retirement plans and more.
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    #88

    May 28, 2009, 10:57 AM

    It was an example. My orifices aren't for sale. No matter the price.
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    #89

    May 28, 2009, 11:01 AM

    Hello again, BMI:

    Some people who use prostitutes live their lives in turmoil. However, in my view, there's NO connection between the two, since I know of people who use prostitutes, who have very fulfilling lives.

    I'm not suggesting that a life of prostitution is without risk. But since it's illegal, the risk stems from THAT fact, and that fact alone. Were it not illegal, it would be sold like a can of soup. It's almost like that now, only we pretend it isn't. I'm not really a pretending type of guy.

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    #90

    May 28, 2009, 11:12 AM

    I see what your saying ex. However, if you compare treating yourself to a joint with friends (also illegal) and treating yourself to sex with strangers for money I think it's a different thing.

    This girl likes what she does, I personally think she could enjoy her life whislt doing something a little more... conservative.
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    May 28, 2009, 01:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Nes:

    Why should the sex worker be concerned with her customers family???? Is the lawnmower salesman concerned that the customer is going to mow his lawn incorrectly??? Nahhh, he just sells his stuff. A sex worker should just sell their stuff....

    Besides, you ask about girlfriends.... What about the guy who DOESN'T have a girlfriend??? Why shouldn't HE get laid??? What about the guy who will NEVER have a girlfriend because he lost a leg, or he's too fat??? Shouldn't THOSE guys get laid???

    Nope, sex workers provide a VALUABLE service.

    excon
    Hmmm, true, but that's a personal choice is it not? To refuse to aknowlege others within the situation and the circomstances encompassing one's capacity to effect it? Yes, I know, the ties are minumal, but those minumal ties my have a large echo. Do you agree? Everything we do causes and echo, and that inturn effects the world around us.

    People who are single are not connected to others in such a profound manner, and thus they can not betrey some ones love for them. (Other than family Friends, that's different kind of love. You most likely won't be having kids with any of them and starting a family together. Children are best looked after with two carring parents.) Should they? I don't know... Maybe they should exercise more to be healthy, as for the leg thing, I know a few couples in similar situations, they seem happy to be honest. More than I can say about most.

    Is that so? What about those who can not afford it, is there a funding program so they can enjoy it, or those who are handi cap? Do these people not have rights?

    I don't know...

    Take care Meow420, I'll be back to reply to your post soon, I think.

    May peace and kindnesss be with you.
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    #92

    May 28, 2009, 02:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestorian View Post
    To refuse to aknowlege others within the situation and the circomstances encompassing one's capacity to effect it?? Everything we do causes and echo, and that inturn effects the world around us.

    ..Is that so? What about those who can not afford it, is there a funding program so they can enjoy it, or those who are handi cap? Do these people not have rights?
    Hello again, Nes:

    I don't doubt that every action we take effects others. I do, however, deny responsibility for the actions of others. Let's say I sold hardware. Am I responsible for the guy who murders his wife using a tool he bought from me? Better yet, are gun shops responsible for a killing done with a gun bought at their shop?

    There are those in society who would say they are. I'm not one of them.

    In terms of the government subsidizing sex for the downtrodden, I'm all for it. In fact, I think even the uptrodden are entitled to sex. Therefore, the government should subsidize sex for ALL the unlaid.

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    #93

    May 28, 2009, 04:08 PM

    excon, Meow thinks globally, not in a straight line.

    Although I admire the focus of non-global people, being female, I see everything at once. Life is a picture not this fact and that fact which follow these facts. If all humans were global thinkers, we probably wouldn't need government subsidies.

    Prostitution is not just about providing a service for money. It involves all parts of a person including other lives they touch.
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    #94

    May 28, 2009, 04:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackVY View Post
    Haha... HelloKitty is giving advice to Meow... Lol!!! :D :p :D

    Sorry, I couldn't resist... :o
    Your turning bad! Hehe

    It was funny and I couldn't resist lmao.
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    #95

    May 28, 2009, 04:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by liz28 View Post
    Your turning bad! hehe

    It was funny and I couldn't resist lmao.
    Haha... sorry... didn't mean to be bad... I'll be good now... Promise... :)
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    #96

    May 28, 2009, 05:38 PM
    As you can see, Meow, opinions differ.

    It's a choice you have made. You seem happy with your choice.

    Many have questioned your future plans. Have you?

    Good Luck, whichever way you choose to go.
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    #97

    May 28, 2009, 07:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma View Post
    To be honest, it just seems that you posted this to get reassurance that everyone thinks what you do is a great job, safe, helps others, and is appropriate. No. It seems that you are just seeking approval.

    I apologize if I'm off.
    My reasoning for coming on this site was not to seek approval. I knew coming on here was going to cause a lot of different reactions and to be honest, I was not excpecting them to be nice. You may think Im here to show off and brag, but these have been real issues for me. I don't ecxpect everyone to understand me. But I most definalty did not come here for the reasons you are thinking.
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    #98

    May 31, 2009, 10:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Nes:

    I don't doubt that every action we take effects others. I do, however, deny responsibility for the actions of others. Let's say I sold hardware. Am I responsible for the guy who murders his wife using a tool he bought from me? Better yet, are gun shops responsible for a killing done with a gun bought at their shop?

    There are those in society who would say they are. I'm not one of them.

    In terms of the government subsidizing sex for the downtrodden, I'm all for it. In fact, I think even the uptrodden are entitled to sex. Therefore, the government should subsidize sex for ALL the unlaid.

    excon
    Fair enough.

    As for guns, their purpose is to kill. If some one doesn't have a license to have a gun, then no they shouldn't have one. If they don't register it, then they shouldn't have it. They are meant to kill, and any one who will not be responsibly for their merchandise in that area, The selling of ammo, guns, other weapons, should not sell it. Rules and regulations are needed, or chaos will break out.

    As for the hardware thing, no. THe man with the hammer is in full responsibility, However, if he was drunk, or under some kind of influence that was noticeable or really pissed, I don't think people should sell potencially harmful objects to them. It's not very wise, for they may just off the sales person. I always disliked selling lighters to drunks/intoxitcated/or even just angery customers. Gas and fire are a bad mix, and often lead to explosive results.

    But those are different. The objects are not in direct control of the person selling them, once the transaction is carried out. In the case of a sex trad worker, or sex working individual, they are in direct control of who can and can not have sex with them.

    The simple fact that we choose to live a life style affects greatly the people around us. People simply are not ready to accept responsibility for it. This is the point I"m trying to make. You think that some one you never met is not being affected by you? Owning a house, car, buying overly packaged items, buying items that are tested on animals, or clothing made from animals, or food made form animals burned alive. That affects many, and animals especially. By choosing one brand over another we can put people out of work, or give them work, and/or be wastful to the environment. Even the simplest act can have the most profound effect.

    If every one out side our spectrum is an externality, then you're missing a great deal of who you really are. "All are one, and one is all" Led-Zeppelin Stairway to heaven. Most chairitable organizagions depend upon us taking responsibility for things that are happening out of our immediate attention. We don't take "full" or "all" the responsibility, but we do our part and refrain from something's to help benafit the greater whole, as well as ourselves on a larger scale.

    It's like the child who's father left him and his mother and he grows up adopting some questionable behavious that his father had. He starts to treat women like his father did, badly like an object, he grows to the age of 45 and is very abusive to the women he is with and finnally kills one. Who is to hold the blame, a child who had no one to show them that people are people regardless of their gender? Or those who saw him as a bad child, misschievious, rude, ignorent, foolish, stupid, pathetic, another troubled youth, and so on? We have programs now that can help children like this, maybe it won't help 100% nor does it reach most, but it's there.

    It seems like people loose their freedom when they don't accept responsibility for their actions. But I'm still researching this theory.

    Peace and kindness be with you.
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    #99

    May 31, 2009, 11:00 PM

    At any rate, I've lost track of where I Was going. So it goes.

    "Life is ours, we live it our way."-Metallica

    "There is no good, bad, right, nor wrong; there are only possibilities."-Nestorian

    "By myself, but not alone."-Metallica

    "It does not matter what you do, but is does matter that you do it."- Unknown.

    Meow420, it doesn't matter what you do, you could be the worst person on the face of the earth, or the greatest, or other wise; but, none of it will ever change what you really are, a BEING.
    If it makes you feel better, I don't think you are immoral, confused yes, after all that's why you are on this site posting a question/s. I do have something I like to try when thinking of others opinions and how they feel about what I'm doing, or what is happening to them.

    I call it, Value association. The basic idea, you take something some one else valuse and when you really don't care about it, you replace the thing they value with something you value in the same or a similar mannor. For example:
    Let say, I'm heart broken because my GF had sex with some one else. I feel betrey and angry. You don't see why I feel like this (Though I'm sure you do) because you think it's OK to have sex with people other than your BF/GF/Husband/Wife. So you don't understand why I'd be so tore up inside. Then you think, OK he is heart broke over his GF cheating and he didn't find out till a few months later "as she didnt' take from his needs", what would hurt me the same? If the person you were with didn't meet your needs. So then you can understand what it would feel like to have your heart broken just as me. (If that were a real situation.)

    I realize that wasn't really the best situation and most would say that's just walking in aonther person's shoes, but, most people wouldn't associate the values with their own issues, rather than just thinking how they'd feel in that same position. As people say, "Different strokes for differenet folks."

    Peace be with you.
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    Jun 1, 2009, 06:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Meow420 View Post
    My reasoning for coming on this site was not to seek approval. I knew coming on here was going to cause alot of different reactions and to be honest, i was not excpecting them to be nice. You may think Im here to show off and brag, but these have been real issues for me. I dont ecxpect everyone to understand me. But i most definalty did not come here for the reasons you are thinking.

    I am curious to know your level of education and your plans when - and if - you get out of the sex industry.

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