[Tuttyd]

"The CBO is nonpartisan"

I suspected they were. I also suspect leading economists are as well.

This doesn't make any of them correct.

[Tuttyd]

So where does that leave teens?

In Australia a 17 to 18 year old at McD for example, would get about $10 to $ 11 per hour.

I was told by a local once that McD pays adults over $20 per hour. I don't know about the teens where you are.

[paraclete]

for clarity the minumum adult wage in Australia is $16.37 an hour, it applies to everyone where a specific industry award doesn't apply, casual rates are higher as in the case of McD cited above, wages for juniors would be less according to age, children below 14 years cannot be hired. The unions apply to industrial courts for variation of the awards and negotiate independently with employers.

It has to be noted that we don't supplement the wages of low paid workers by tipping so comparison between the two countries is difficult but the point is a minimum wage exists to stop exploitation. This becomes more and more necessary when full time work gives way to part time and casual work, particularly in seasonal and agricultural industries or industries employing migrants

[speechlesstx]

You have a lower minimum wage for kids?

[paraclete]

this is the difference, junior wages are a percentage of the adult wage, when we talk about minimum wages we are talking about different concepts. When we talk about the minimum wage we are talking about adults

[Tuttyd]

for clarity the minimum adult wage in Australia is $16.37 an hour, it applies to everyone where a specific industry award doesn't apply, casual rates are higher as in the case of McD cited above, wages for juniors would be less according to age, children below 14 years cannot be hired. The unions apply to industrial courts for variation of the awards and negotiate independently with employers.

They might have been quoting me casual rates.

[Tuttyd]

You have a lower minimum wage for kids?

Yes.

They did when my kids worked at Big W. Going back a while now.
P.S.
I just read Clete's comment. I also looked it up. Yes, teens get a percentage of the adult wage.

[paraclete]

Yes Tutt difficult to make comparison between the two countries excepting that the americans have this idea we are paid too much

[speechlesstx]

Yes Tutt difficult to make comparison between the two countries excepting that the americans have this idea we are paid too much

I wasn't going there at all. It's that Democrats seem to refuse to admit there are tradeoffs to policy, they can't acknowledge the tradeoffs and negative consequences of their actions.

Raise the minimum wage by around 40% as they want there will be winners and losers, as the CBO report acknowledged. One of those losers will likely be teens trying to get a foot in the door and get some experience. Ask the state of Washington.

Teenagers hoping to cash in on Washington’s highest-in-the-nation minimum wage may soon be out of luck.


For most teens, a first job is an integral step in entering the workforce—honing skills like professionalism and timeliness can help teens better prepare for the future. But landing that first job is becoming more of a problem for some teenagers.


“A whole generation of teens are not being able to develop a work ethic,” said Republican Sen. Michael Baumgartner of Spokane.


More middle-aged workers are filling jobs traditionally given to teenagers, and as such, preventing teens from getting that important first job. Two proposals in the Senate hope to allow more teens to enter the workforce.


Senate Bill 6471, introduced by Baumgartner, would create a summer training wage for teens. The bill would allow employers to pay 14- to 19-year-olds hired on a seasonal basis from June 31 through August 31 the federal wage of $7.25. Minimum wage in Washington is currently $9.32.


“It’s a limited bill…[that] gets at an issue that we all need to be concerned about: getting our teens in the workforce,” Baumgartner said.


Senate Bill 6495 would establish a training wage for 14- to 19-year-olds. Sponsored by Moses Lake Republican Sen. Janea Holmquist Newbry, the legislation would allow employers to pay new teenage employees 85 percent of the minimum wage ($7.92) or the federal minimum wage ($7.25), whichever is greater.


“We need to make sure 16- to 19-year-olds have an opportunity,” Holmquist Newbry said.

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So, the question is will Dems acknowledge this tradeoff and do something about it or will they demand everyone get paid the same?

[paraclete]

seems logical to me, surprised the issue hasn't come up previously

[talaniman]

Saying everyone should be paid the same would be another exaggeration and a distraction of the main point. Establishing a MINIMUM wage. Its not the peoples fault the factories were closed and moved over seas, gutting the middle class, which was the backbone of America.

Yeah do something for teens, but do something for their parents first.

[speechlesstx]

Saying everyone should be paid the same would be another exaggeration and a distraction of the main point. Establishing a MINIMUM wage. Its not the peoples fault the factories were closed and moved over seas, gutting the middle class, which was the backbone of America.

Yeah do something for teens, but do something for their parents first.

Let me clarify since you didn't take the hint on a post entirely about "minimum wage." "Paid the same" as in the same minimum wage for all.

The question is will you guys ever acknowledge the tradeoffs and consequences of your policies? What are those teens who can't get a job at $10.10 an hour going to do with their time? Where are they going to get experience if older people are taking the jobs that used to go to them? Australia pays teens less, is that something you'd go for or not?

[paraclete]

thing is there are industries that employ teens and there are industries that want adults, wage structures we have here are based on a Productivity Commission examination of the value of work

[tomder55]

"Productivity Commission examination of the value of work" ugggghh do you need a gvt agency to decide when the wipe your arse ?

[Tuttyd]

"Productivity Commission examination of the value of work" ugggghh do you need a gvt agency to decide when the wipe your arse ?

Everything is bottoms with you Americans.

[paraclete]

"Productivity Commission examination of the value of work" ugggghh do you need a gvt agency to decide when the wipe your arse ?

demonstrating your vast knowledge of shlt again Tom? For the uninformed on the other side of the puddle, our industrial courts and governments long ago decided to take the heat out of these things by having an independent arbriteur advise on the true value of the contribution of various occupations and they help government to determine the value of various subsidies such as child care and they look into whether an industry should be supported or given the flic. You see, when the negotiations break down as inevietably they do, considering the rabid attitude of the unions and the recalcicrant attitudes of the employers, we have a court whose jurisdiction it is to decide these matters and avoid strikes, lockouts, etc. We find it more civilised, but then we have been at it longer than you.

[talaniman]

We had binding arbitration at one time Clete, worked rather well until the union shops left the shores with the factories, and unions and the middle class disappeared. So did the wages. There is only the court system left and poor people can't afford lawyers, nor keep up with rising prices.

This country was built on a solid middle class made poor by the business pursuit of profits for the few.

[speechlesstx]

Unions also destroyed one of the finest cities in the country and left us holding the bag.

[excon]

Hello again,

Most minimum wage workers ALSO receive handouts from the government like food stamps and welfare. Why should we subsidize WalMart?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

Most minimum wage workers ALSO receive handouts from the government like food stamps and welfare. Why should we subsidize WalMart?

excon

Show me the stats.