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Right wingers WRONGLY assert that if you raise the cost of employment, there'll be LESS of it. It's a NICE idea. It's just WRONG.

Let's take your local McDonald's.. Right wingers say that if they HAD to pay their employees $15/hr, they'd hire FEWER employees. But, that ASSUMES your local Micky Dee's has EXTRA help just hanging around, and that they can KEEP the same level of quality and service with FEWER employees...

As a businessman, that of course, is STUPID. Let's assume that the price of beef goes up, as it does. Would that mean they'll buy LESS of it?? No, OF COURSE it doesn't mean that. It means that they'll have to raise prices or make less. Personally, when my COSTS go up, as they do EVERY DAY, my PRICES do too.

I NOW pay more than ANY employer I know who does what I do. Given right wing wrong headed policies, I SHOULD be going broke. Interestingly, I'm NOT.

How come right wingers DON'T understand the free market?

excon

I see you've gotten the memo. I gotta admit, you lefties are good soldiers.

only the libs think flipping burgers at Micky Ds is a career. What a scam . The real reason for all this fuss is that many union contracts are negotiated at a base line of the min. wage . If the min wage doubles that means that union wages goes up too. This has nothing to do with so called living wage. The only thing that will happen is the price of the burgers will go up..... lower skilled workers and young workers will now be competing for their jobs with a larger pool of people willing to do the job..... and when possible ,Micky Ds will automate their process.

Hello again, tom:

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and when possible ,Micky Ds will automate their process.

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THIS is an EXCELLENT example of right wingers NOT understanding the market place..

First off, Micky D's IS as automated as it can be. What possibly makes you think they aren't? Your WRONGHEADED assumption, is that WHEN they come up with a NEW way to automate, they'll put it on the shelf because they'll have to fire a few employees...

??????

excon

They're just trying to change the subject from Obamacare, it has nothing to do with anything else.

Hello Steve:

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I see you've gotten the memo. I gotta admit, you lefties are good soldiers.

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Do you wanna criticize my SOURCES or do you wanna address my post???

Look. If I was as BEREFT as your side is, with ANY ideas how to move this country forward, I'd talk about the weather too..

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

At least you admit it's because you got the memo. I'm not opposed to raising the minimum wage but I do think $15 is a bit much and I agree with tom's assessment. And as long as you guys control the WH and Senate you'll be able to keep making your mythical claims to us having no ideas because you know they are all DOA in Reid's Senate.

nah they aren't as automated as they can be yet .... and the workers that are left are low skilled . When I started out as a teen and a young man ,I did not begin at a top wage . I was doing dishes ,mopping floors ,slinging hash in a greasy spoon. I was paid what I was worth .It had nothing to do with 'living wage' .It was more about my value to my employer. I left many of those jobs on the way up the ladder . I never felt cheated .

The unemployment rate among teenagers is the highest of all age groups .In some areas like DC ,it's over 50% . DC recently allowed Walmart to open up shop . 23,000 people applied for 600 jobs. Evidently there are still some people willing to work for what the lib politicans deem less than 'living 'wages'.

A higher min wage will force these same applicants to compete with a larger pool of workers .

Hello again, Steve:

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At least you admit it's because you got the memo.

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If it makes you feel better to think I'm a bot, think it.

excon

Where I live, in the northeast, no one anywhere pays the federal minimum, and of course many states have higher minimums. I agree that it's high time to raise the federal minimum,but I think $15 is a whopping and senseless amount. I haven't seen a single protester who is making the federal minimum.
I take issue with the vagueness of 'living wage.' I see too many people who think they should not have to learn a skill, should have their own apartment without doubling up with family or roommates, who think they can have the luxury of children, AND be paid for all that. They call that a living wage - how can I support my family? You shouldn't have a family until you have worked, learned, and saved.
There's nothing wrong with people getting rich. There's something wrong with loopholes to get rich.
That makes me in the dreaded middle of the road. So run me over.

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Hello again, Steve:
If it makes you feel better to think I'm a bot, think it.

excon

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It's certainly "coincidental" that you, Tal and Obama have all made this today's issue. I don't blame you, you aren't winning the Obamacare battle and I don't foresee a jump to $15 any time soon either.

Hello again, Steve:

I watch the news. I don't get memos. Maybe tal watches the news too.

excon

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I agree that it's high time to raise the federal minimum,but I think $15 is a whopping and senseless amount. I haven't seen a single protester who is making the federal minimum.
I take issue with the vagueness of 'living wage.' I see too many people who think they should not have to learn a skill, should have their own apartment without doubling up with family or roommates, who think they can have the luxury of children, AND be paid for all that. They call that a living wage - how can I support my family? You shouldn't have a family until you have worked, learned, and saved.

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Joy - I love you...

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Hello again, Steve:

I watch the news. I don't get memos. Maybe tal watches the news too.

excon

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You must watch MSNBC, they get the memo. FOX and CNN cut Obama's sixth pivot to the economy this year way short.

Hello again, Steve:

Still talking about ME, huh?? That's all you got?

excon

I believe I already gave my opinion on the subject more than once today. People are going to need a raise since Obamacare though, so you may be onto something.

I almost said something about this possibility but here it is, Dems want the emperor to bypass Congress (again) and raise the minimum wage unilaterally for workers employed through government contracts. I mean why not, he is the emperor - the law is whatever he deems it to be.

Let's introduce some reality here, you know reality its what happens in daily life.

Where I live we have had a living minimum wage for years, has our economy collapsed,? no. In fact we have one of the strongest economies in the world with low unemployment. the minimum wage has little impact on employment and giving those in the economy who can't afford anything but the most basic boosts demand in the economy because they spend what they get, it is actually job creating, not job destroying. The minimum wage doesn't affect rates paid to skilled workers

and unskilled youth unemployment in Aussie is 17% ;and 63% of all jobs lost were jobs for young, unskilled Aussies. That min. wage is certainly working out for them.

What gets me is the notion that anyone who doesn't like $15/hr is a right winger.
I'm far from right wing. I'm for some increase in the minimum, like to 10.
I'm still waiting to hear this mythical 'living wage' definition.
Everyone here (I think) is old enough to have scraped by when young and thought nothing of it.
Now we have the Entitlement Generation.
Oh - and studies from other countries show that high school drop outs increase a lot when the minimum wage is high.
I can think of countless jobs such as bank teller and starting salary teacher in some states who make less than 15. What will they do? And so on up the skill and training and education ladder?