[galveston]

My solution to the illegal immigration problem:

Make Mexico the 51st State of the Union.

That would make a MUCH shorter southern border to patrol!

[ETWolverine]

My solution to the illegal immigration problem:

Make Mexico the 51st State of the Union.

That would make a MUCH shorter southern border to patrol!

So you think we should import poverty from other countries... because the amount we have now isn't enough.

Elliot

[paraclete]

So you think we should import poverty from other countries... because the amount we have now isn't enough.

Elliot

Hey, that would make a change from exporting it, Eh?

You don't want to import poverty, then give these people jobs in their own land, but the idea you should take over the rest of Mexico is not a bad one after all you already took over large parts of it (California, Texas, New Mexico) earlier so why discriminate against the poorer section. Taking over Mexico would have one big draw back, their cities are even more lawless than your own and they have a long history of responding to tyrants with revolution.

Yes take over Mexico and you could build a big fence south of Yucatan, hey why don't you do that anyway?

[tomder55]

You don't want to import poverty, then give these people jobs in their own land

Clearly we excel in that as well judging by the amt of jobs we've exported.

[twinkiedooter]

Quoting from the article...
The days of guest workers being paid as little as $45,000 a year are over, with the Immigration Minister, Chris Evans, announcing that employers would no longer be able to pay overseas workers less than locals.

What kind of jobs pay "as little as $45,000 a year"? Huh? I don't think these "jobs" are manual labor type jobs.

Clete, I kind of think you've got your signals mixed up here. And the fact you call the native peoples of your country "lazy" I find quite offensive. I knew some native Australians down in South Florida and they were very hard working gentlemen who came to South Florida legally due to their expertise in alligator control.

I think you're confusing your fellow Aussies - you know, the Freegans - with hard working native Australians. It's the Freegans that give Australia a black eye. You need to take up a petition to have all the food dumpsters have mandatory locks on them. Then those pesky Freegans won't have any free food and will actually have to work for a living in order to eat.

[saupuss]

Think of all the industry we'd have back Elliot!

Of course, if Mexican's were made into American's they might slowly acquire our laziness.

Yup, I'll agree with those who said Americans are sorry and lazy. We are indeed the most spoiled bunch of rich brats in the world.

Someday... someday those welfare checks will run out, then we'll separate the men from the mice, er, should I say RATS.

[paraclete]

Quoting from the article.....
The days of guest workers being paid as little as $45,000 a year are over, with the Immigration Minister, Chris Evans, announcing that employers would no longer be able to pay overseas workers less than locals.

What kind of jobs pay "as little as $45,000 a year"? Huh? I don't think these "jobs" are manual labor type jobs.

Clete, I kinda think you've got your signals mixed up here. And the fact you call the native peoples of your country "lazy" I find quite offensive. I knew some native Australians down in South Florida and they were very hard working gentlemen who came to South Florida legally due to their expertise in alligator control.

I think you're confusing your fellow Aussies - you know, the Freegans - with hard working native Australians. It's the Freegans that give Australia a black eye. You need to take up a petition to have all the food dumpsters have mandatory locks on them. Then those pesky Freegans won't have any free food and will actually have to work for a living in order to eat.

It might surprise you to know that unlike the land of shinning glory, or was that shine and story, I always get the two confused, there is fair minimum wage in operation here and yes, a labourer could earn as much as $45,000 a year but I think maybe would earn less. It's those dammed statistics that average everything and create a false impression of utopia, we have that problem with politicians all the time.

You think that singleling out a group who consistently under performs despite the money thrown at them is offensive, well I tell you, I find them offensive, they even have to be forced to send their children to school and their dole taken so that they are forced to buy food for their families. We have no concept of the noble savage here. Do you know they actually think jail is a great place, where else could they get three square meals a day and roof when it rains for nothing?

Australian natives skilled in alligator control? Came from the alligator river no doubt? NEWS FLASH! There are no alligators in Australia so these fellows would certainly be in the minority, we go in for crocodile rassling, haven't you seen Crocodile Dundee, and not representative of their fellows who mainly live in squalid third world communities and show not intention of being weaned from the government teat. Freegans, don't know what they are, could you be referring to the homeless, probably the mentally ill, most of them, so you would deprive the homeless mentally ill of the right to survive? Tell me do you have any other Nazi solutions to propose? No FREEGAN here refers to the Australian aboriginal, perhaps you think we should send them to concentration camps for reeducation, a sort of "no abo left behind" initiative.
Perhaps we should get some "faith based" organisations to look after them. NEWS FLASH! We tried that and got the stolen generations debacle. No friend we don't need the advice of our brethern across the sea on this one. Your black panthers came here and rabble roused the aboriginals and now they think they are black.

[ETWolverine]

Hey, that would make a change from exporting it, Eh?

You don't want to import poverty, then give these people jobs in their own land,

Well, gee, I thought that improving Mexico's economy was the responsibility of the Mexican government.

And we have enough problems exporting jobs out of the country that should rightfully be going to Americans because foreign labor is cheaper than domestic labor, thanks to unions. We don't need to export more jobs to other countries.

but the idea you should take over the rest of Mexico is not a bad one after all you already took over large parts of it (California, Texas, New Mexico) earlier so why discriminate against the poorer section.

And you see war started by Mexico over a century ago in which we won and took over the land we conquered as no different than simply taking them over today.

I hope you're joking.

Taking over Mexico would have one big draw back, their cities are even more lawless than your own and they have a long history of responding to tyrants with revolution.

So do we. Who do you think they learned it from.

Unfortunately, they also have a long history of putting tyrants into power through revolution as well.

Yes take over Mexico and you could build a big fence south of Yucatan, hey why don't you do that anyway?

Aren't you one of those who have been against American "imperialism" in other countries, even when our actions in those other countries are justified by the circumstances? Aren't you one of those who complains that we are overstepping our bounds in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why would you advocate REAL imperialism by the USA into Mexico?

Elliot

[excon]

Well, gee, I thought that improving Mexico's economy was the responsibility of the Mexican government.

Hello again, El:

So the Mexican government is responsible for improving their economy... But HERE, not so much...

I was right. You DON'T listen to yourself.

excon

[ETWolverine]

Hello again, El:

So the Mexican government is responsible for improving their economy... But HERE, not so much...

I was right. You DON'T listen to yourself.

excon

Where did I say that the US government isn't responsible for improving the economy?

I'm still waiting for Obama to do something that will improve the economy.

His socialist policies have failed and made things WORSE.

I'm waiting for him to do something that actually works... like lowering taxes, curbing government spending, creating tax incentives that stimulate spending, production and growth in the economy. Instead, he's taking over companies, capping incomes, regulating industries, taxing success, incentivizing failure, increasing government spending, growing deficits and debt, and killing jobs.

Bush created jobs and brought unemployment to some of the lowest levels in history. He lowered taxes, and did his job in helping the economy grow.

Obama has killed millions of jobs and spent the country into bankruptcy.

Yes... it is the government's job to stimulate the economy and help it grow through tax policy and monetary policy. Bush did his job. Obama, so far, has failed miserably to do his.

Elliot

[galveston]

Wow!

What a chain of posts my little ironic post made!

[paraclete]

Aren't you one of those who have been against American "imperialism" in other countries, even when our actions in those other countries are justified by the circumstances? Aren't you one of those who complains that we are overstepping our bounds in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why would you advocate REAL imperialism by the USA into Mexico?

Elliot

But American imperialism is alive and well and living in Central and South America. Your continued enforcement of the Monroe doctrine is evidence of that.

I could think of no greater circumstance than you want to bring stability to your own region and wipe out two problems you have in that region, drugs and illegal immigration. It is through extending the greater american prosperity zone that you can achieve this, an economic union of North America, after all isn't this what the US is. Your NAFTA is a step along the way. Imperialism takes different forms these days, that is why military invasion of places like Iraq and Afghanistan is over the top, an conquest is no excuse for keeping territory, USA applies a double standard, one against Mexico and another with Israel where you demand they give back captured territory. Why can't Israel keep the west bank and Gaza and all the responsibilities that go with it, and yet you are not quick to leave Iraq and Afghanistan interferring in the affairs of those countries. Iraq I understand, Oil is important, but chasing a few religious fanatics around the hills of Afghanistan for eight years without result whilst killing more civilians than combatants I don't. They say revenge is sweet, but your revenge is tyranny. And you cannot blame Iran for wanting nuclear weapons with your troops operating in the region. No, annexing Mexico would be a great step in your peaceful expansion. What a fantastic stimulatory building program you could undertake, you could rebuild Mexico the way you rebuilt the south in the 1800's and keep all the Mexicans at home. Honestly I don't think your thinking is big enough, you can't see beyond the end of your gun.

[excon]

Honestly I don't think your thinking is big enough, you can't see beyond the end of your gun.

Hello again, clete:

I think you mistake whose doing the looking... These are right wingers.. They don't see economic opportunity.. They don't see a safer border. They don't see an end to the drug war... All they see is a bunch of brown faces.

excon

[paraclete]

Hello again, clete:

I think you mistake whose doing the looking... These are right wingers.. They don't see economic opportunity.. They don't see a safer border. They don't see an end to the drug war... All they see is a bunch of brown faces.

excon

Yes ex it would be horrific problem if all those hispanics suddenly became Americans, you wouldn't be able to tell who was legal, they would all be legal and entitled to fair wages and all the other rights. Slipping down to Mexico for the weekend would have a whole new connotation

[saupuss]

Clete,

Maybe Mexican's don't want to be Americans.
Or maybe Mexico should annex the USA?

Same difference right? Who's government works better?

[twinkiedooter]

It might surprise you to know that unlike the land of shinning glory, or was that shine and story, I always get the two confused, there is fair minimum wage in operation here and yes, a labourer could earn as much as $45,000 a year but I think maybe would earn less. It's those dammed statistics that average everything and create a false impression of utopia, we have that problem with politicians all the time.

You think that singleling out a group who consistently under performs despite the money thrown at them is offensive, well I tell you, I find them offensive, they even have to be forced to send their children to school and their dole taken so that they are forced to buy food for their families. We have no concept of the noble savage here. Do you know they actually think jail is a great place, where else could they get three square meals a day and roof when it rains for nothing?

Australian natives skilled in alligator control? came from the alligator river no doubt? NEWS FLASH! there are no alligators in Australia so these fellows would certainly be in the minority, we go in for crocodile rassling, havn't you seen Crocodile Dundee, and not representative of their fellows who mainly live in squalid third world communities and show not intention of being weaned from the government teat. Freegans, don't know what they are, could you be referring to the homeless, probably the mentally ill, most of them, so you would deprive the homeless mentally ill of the right to survive? Tell me do you have any other Nazi solutions to propose? No FREEGAN here refers to the australian aboriginal, perhaps you think we should send them to concentration camps for reeducation, a sort of "no abo left behind" initiative.
Perhaps we should get some "faith based" organisations to look after them. NEWS FLASH! we tried that and got the stolen generations debacle. No friend we don't need the advice of our brethern across the sea on this one. Your black panthers came here and rabble roused the aboriginals and now they think they are black.

Yes, I am quite aware that there are no alligators in Australia. These Australian natives were hired for their expertise in crocodiles and brought to America to round up alligators in South Florida. I was going to go back and correct my original entry but never bothered to do it. The Florida Wildlife hired them to come to America. These men did an outstanding job of rounding up the alligators in Florida and relocating them. A lot of the alligators were "leapers" and quite treacherous as well. Very dangerous work those men did. There were about 12 of them. And they had a cousin along from one of the islands that specialized in cannibalism (although he was not a cannibal) just to the north of Australia.

As for Freegans - they are white people (basically) who live in urban areas like Sydney or Melbourne that refuse to work. They live in cars or vans and raid the food dumpsters each night outside supermarkets or restaurants and eat whatever food is thrown out. Yes, these people are not retards, etc. they are quite well educated but simply refuse to work period and would rather have things given to them for free. Surprised you haven't heard of Freegans and just what and who they are. Gee, even little old me here in America knows what they are.

As for the Australian natives you seem to forget that here in America we have the Native Americans called Indians. These people too were abused by the white man. They have been relegated to "reservations" where they are supposed to live in squalid conditions. You Aussies have literally done the same with the Australian natives. You Aussies don't want them to change but keep them in the Stone Age. Think about how many hundreds or thousands of years those Natives lived in Australia conserving their resources and living simply on the land. Then the white people from England happily sent all their prisoners over and let them loose on the continent to wreak havoc. The Native Australians are still in shock. I don't recall reading where there is any Native Australians in Parliament. Probably not allowed by the "white" folks there.

I don't know how long you have lived in Australia but I am surprised at your attitude towards these ancient peoples. The men I met from Australia (and yes, I've met some white men from Australia as well) even though they were the native Australians - I did find them to be quite intelligent and more spiritual than the folks here in America. I met a wonderful crocodile (alligator) trapper named Earthkin. He was from the northern part of Australia and he and his extended family were basically nomads going from place to place around Australia's northeastern coastline where they are a lot of crocodiles. They are basically simple people who listen to the earth and revere it. They know how to live in that harsh climate and survive. Would you be able to survive without your car, indoor plumbing with running water, etc. Probably not. They've been doing it successfully for centuries long before the white man arrived in Australia.

[saupuss]

What's up with all the "white people" remarks?

[excon]

Whats up with all the "white people" remarks?

Hello s:

Here we talk about everything - even white people.

excon

[paraclete]

Yes, I am quite aware that there are no alligators in Australia. These Australian natives were hired for their expertise in crocodiles and brought to America to round up alligators in South Florida. I was going to go back and correct my original entry but never bothered to do it. The Florida Wildlife hired them to come to America. These men did an outstanding job of rounding up the alligators in Florida and relocating them. A lot of the alligators were "leapers" and quite treacherous as well. Very dangerous work those men did. There were about 12 of them. And they had a cousin along from one of the islands that specialized in cannibalism (although he was not a cannibal) just to the north of Australia..

I don't doubt this team did a good job but they are not representative of Australian natives and you may be also speaking of a Torres Strait Islander from Mer or somewhere like that, different people but no cannibals or headhunters now.

[QUOTE As for Freegans - they are white people (basically) who live in urban areas like Sydney or Melbourne that refuse to work. They live in cars or vans and raid the food dumpsters each night outside supermarkets or restaurants and eat whatever food is thrown out. Yes, these people are not retards, etc. they are quite well educated but simply refuse to work period and would rather have things given to them for free. Surprised you haven't heard of Freegans and just what and who they are. Gee, even little old me here in America knows what they are.. [/QUOTE]

There are many urban myths Americans are told about Australia and there are some homeless and maybe the odd layabout living in a car, but there are also homeless shelters and canteens so no need to live out of dumpsters. Don't believe all you hear about Australia. There is no comparison between Australia and the US really, we are a very different society. I imagine you have many FREEGANS in America.

[QUOTE As for the Australian natives you seem to forget that here in America we have the Native Americans called Indians. These people too were abused by the white man. They have been relegated to "reservations" where they are supposed to live in squalid conditions. You Aussies have literally done the same with the Australian natives. You Aussies don't want them to change but keep them in the Stone Age. Think about how many hundreds or thousands of years those Natives lived in Australia conserving their resources and living simply on the land. Then the white people from England happily sent all their prisoners over and let them loose on the continent to wreak havoc. The Native Australians are still in shock. I don't recall reading where there is any Native Australians in Parliament. Probably not allowed by the "white" folks there.. [/QUOTE]

We aussies have not done the same to our natives as the americans did. We did not undertake a genocidal war or wars against them for two hundred years. We did not force them into reservations. We wanted to intergrate them into our society but they wanted to live traditionally but the land will not support large populations, it never did. Many aboriginals died because of disease just as your natives did. The English did not turn their prisoners loose, they escaped or earned release and formed the basis of a productive society. The only reason they were sent here was the American revolution which stopped america being a dumping ground for English prisoners. You see we have more in common than you think. There have been Australian aboriginals in parliament both federally, and in the states, but they have no concept of political organisation, so it is rare and they are usually not full blood. People like Ridgeway and Bonner made outstanding contributions and aboriginals have been recommended for Governor-General, our Head of State. There are no aboriginal political parties. Your suggestion that we practice aparthied here is offensive and demonstrates your lack of knowledge. Since we keep no official record of ethnicity or identify it in everyday speech, a persons ethnicity is only known when they choose to speak of it. We have all sorts of people in our parliaments including europeans, chinese, aboriginal descent, asians. There is no barrier even to the top office as there is in America.

[QUOTE I don't know how long you have lived in Australia but I am surprised at your attitude towards these ancient peoples. The men I met from Australia (and yes, I've met some white men from Australia as well) even though they were the native Australians - I did find them to be quite intelligent and more spiritual than the folks here in America. I met a wonderful crocodile (alligator) trapper named Earthkin. He was from the northern part of Australia and he and his extended family were basically nomads going from place to place around Australia's northeastern coastline where they are a lot of crocodiles. They are basically simple people who listen to the earth and revere it. They know how to live in that harsh climate and survive. Would you be able to survive without your car, indoor plumbing with running water, etc. Probably not. They've been doing it successfully for centuries long before the white man arrived in Australia.[/QUOTE]

I an a sixth generation Australian, my people were free settlers in 1822. There is even a possibility that my blood lines are mixed with the aboriginal and I have friends who are aboriginal. The aboriginals in Australia are not nomadic in the sense of peoples in other places, very few could live like that today. Crocodiles are protected animals in Australia. I have pioneered a property in Australia so I know how to live without many of the modern conveniences but no sane person abandons what you can reasonably get, not even the aboriginals. You don't really think they live withour cars, running water and electricity do you? Only in the most remote of encampments and not permanently. As I said before we have no concept of the noble savage here and neither do the aboriginals. The aboriginals are not still in shock, they have been conditioned to expect welfare and they show little ambition. Those who show ambition are dragged down by their traditions, few escape poverty, so they are defeated by their own people, not by "white Australia" which is too busy getting ahead to take much notice. I have the same attitude to any layabout who just wants to take a handout and not work.

[saupuss]

Hello s:

Here we talk about everything - even white people.

excon

Just wondering. I question the response if any other creed were used in the context I'm seeing in this thread.