I know this solution is uniquely Australian but we bequeath this to those across the pond who would like to solve the problem in these troubled times.

Foreign workers to be paid local rates

This is reverse psychology at its best, not only will this give them a disincentive to come here, but the thought of paying those immigrants a fair wage will so incense our capitalist types that they will have no choice but to employ all those lay about locals who are waiting for a job, so all the illegals and backpackers will just go home in disgust because they are forced to work at regular wages and compete fairly for jobs and we know they can't do that, don't we?

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all the illegals and backpackers will just go home in disgust because they are forced to work at regular wages and compete fairly for jobs and we know they can't do that, don't we?

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Hello clete:

I don't know what kind of illegals you have down under, but I've never seen a white man who could outwork a Mexican...

excon

Lazy americans do not have a strong work ethic as hard working mexican who is working to support his family.

Does that not say anything about US workers... not just the white ones?

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Hello clete:

I dunno what kind of illegals you have down under, but I've never seen a white man who could outwork a Mexican...

excon

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I don't know what kind of white men you have over there but if the white men didn't do the work here nothing would get done. Our Illegals consist of Pacific Islanders, New Zealanders, European backpackers who have overstayed their visas, various Asians (students or otherwise) who have obtained entry and stayed on, not to mention the boat people (refugees from poor economic circumstance and maybe war) and, of course, the ineveitable Lebanese who congregate in motorcycle gangs.

The layabouts I was referring to are the Aboriginals whose ethos is to take a handout where you can get it

Hello again, clete:

Two different dynamics at work. The Mexicans come here to work and send money to their families back home.

excon

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Hello again, clete:

Two different dynamics at work. The Mexicans come here to work and send money to their families back home.

excon

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Ex I think the Aussie and yankee sense of humour is so different, the difference is as vast as the Pacific which separates us. My post was ironic.

I understand about economic migrants we have them here, but they are not an under class as they are there. People who do itinerant work might be exploited and illegals are exploited by their own people, not by our society in general

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Lazy americans do not have a strong work ethic as hard working mexican who is working to support his family.

Does that not say anything about US workers....not just the white ones?

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I think it says a lot about american workers that you have exported your industries and yet you still need mexicans to do the work

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I don't know what kind of white men you have over there but if the white men didn't do the work here nothing would get done. Our Illegals consist of Pacific Islanders, New Zealanders, European backpackers who have overstayed their visas, various Asians (students or otherwise) who have obtained entry and stayed on, not to mention the boat people (refugees from poor economic circumstance and maybe war) and, of course, the ineveitable Lebanese who congregate in motorcycle gangs.

The layabouts I was referring to are the Aboriginals whose ethos is to take a handout where you can get it

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Clete,

Have you been to a construction site? In Sydney particularly the vast majority of labour consists of Asian and Eastern Europeans. And they work very very hard for long hours!

But the white man works hard too. Not denying that. Just correcting your assertion that nothing would get done if left to immigrants. Untrue...

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Clete,

Have you been to a construction site?? In Sydney particularly the vast majority of labour consists of Asian and Eastern Europeans. And they work very very hard for long hours!!

But the white man works hard too. Not denying that. Just correcting your assertion that nothing would get done if left to immigrants. Untrue...

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Yes I have been on a construction site and at that time not an Asian or Eastern European in sight but no shortage of Maori

Didn't suggest that immigrants don't work hard. If you followed the thread you would see where I told ex I was referring to aboriginals when I spoke of local layabouts and when I say white men doing the work europeans and others are included in that, but I was contrasting ex's suggestion that where he comes from the white men don't work(of course, there are black men there but not really here). As you come from here you should know that there aren't many "white men" about, most of us have some sort of tan and are really indistinguishable from one another unless you start looking closely at features or odd forms of dress or listening to the accents. I also doubt that those immigrants are underpaid as is suggested by the original article so the whole thing comes down a little aussie irony

There are a FEW disincentives that could be used to lower illegal immigration rates.

1) Vigorous prosecution of EMPLOYERS who violate immigration law would eliminate their incentive to give jobs to illegals, thus lowering job availability to illegals.

2) Eliminating illegal immigrants from being able to obtain any and all government programs. This will eliminate MOST of the reason that illegal immigrants come here in the first place. If they didn't get free health care, free education, free food stamps, etc. they wouldn't come here in the first place.

3) Stronger border enforcement. If we make it more difficult and more risky for illegal immigrants to come here, fewer of them would be willing to take the risk.


Part of the incentive for illegals to come here is the fact that it is so easy... no risk, high reward. Take away the reward and increase the risk, and the REASON for coming here in the first place is eliminated.

Elliot

As someone who worked my whole life besides immigrants; and worked up the ranks from the bottom with fellow supervisors and managers of all races, I take exception to the broad brush claim that any one "group " can out work another .

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As someone who worked my whole life besides immigrants; and worked up the ranks from the bottom with fellow supervisors and managers of all races, I take exception to the broad brush claim that any one "group " can out work another .

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So who works harder, republicans or liberals?

I'll answer that in the same ironic nature of the question. Clearly liberals work harder . They won didn't they ?

BTW... in Quebec I noticed lots of white people doing jobs that people claims whites won't do. .

Not sure who claims white people won't do any jobs in Quebec, who are these people claiming this? Not much of race issues there.

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Not much of race issues there

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True... rarely saw anyone of color there .

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True... rarely saw anyone of color there .

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So your previous post was for what reason?? :confused:

Because of Excon's comment #2 . How can a city operate without those immigrants doing jobs the whites won't do or are not as efficient at ?

Ah I get it. Thanks.

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So who works harder, republicans or liberals?

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Neither.

They both work hard.

But CONSERVATIVES (not Republicans) work SMARTER.

Elliot

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But CONSERVATIVES (not Republicans) work SMARTER.

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LOL! Good one!