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    Aug 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
    theft fines montreal
    a few days ago I made a very idiotic mistake,I went with my friends to a store and I was caught stealing, what I had tried to take was valued of slightly over 30$,I was told that we would receive I fine,but since we are regular customers, I wondered if there was any way to have the fine dismissed?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
    It doesn't matter if you are regular customers, that is even worse then being strangers in the store and stealing from them. No, don't think this is a good enough reason, and a lame one, to have a fine dismissed. If it is just a fine, you are lucky.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:07 AM
    Sorry let me rephrase that, due to my condition we regularly purchase medical supplies,medication for a period over many years,thousands of dollars are spent, and I admit this isn't a really good reason but, it is our place to buy things. Obviously being a customer is not a reason to dismiss the fine, but as a question in general, can fines be dismissed? Its not the money that is making me nervous,but the consequence that this fine might make,I wasn't charged by the store or the police, ( warning was made) I'm just curious of how the fine will affect me( not monetarily) ,and if it can be cancelled in general
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by stewiemullen View Post
    sorry let me rephrase that, due to my condition we regularly purchase medical supplies,medication for a period over many years,thousands of dollars are spent, and i admit this isnt a realy good reason but, it is our place to buy things. Obviously being a customer is not a reason to dismiss the fine, but as a question in general, can fines be dismissed? its not the money that is making me nervous,but the consequence that this fine might make,i wasnt charged by the store or the police, ( warning was made) im just curious of how the fine will affect me( not monetarily) ,and if it can be cancelled in general

    I am absolutely astonished! My late husband owned several Pharmacies. He had a LOT of "regular" customers for a LOT of years. Not a single one ever stole from him/us and used the "good, regular customer" reason as an excuse.

    No, fines get paid. Fines don't get dismissed. If it's the money that is concerning you, what exactly is your concern? You haven't been arrested, you haven't been charged, you haven't been fingerprint had mug shots taken. So it's about the money.

    How will the fine affect you? You'll have that much less in your pocket at the end of the day.

    Want to know how your stealing affects the store and all the other "good, regular" customers? And the store owner?

    I wouldn't let you back in the store, "good customer" or not. Apparently we have very different versions of what a "good customer" is.

    Just so I have this right, how many "thousands of dollars" do you have to spend over a period of years before you are entitled to steal and not be fined? You are aware, of course, that people spend thousands of dollars A YEAR in the same stores, right?

    My late husband is rolling over in his grave.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    It doesnt matter if you are regular customers, that is even worse then being strangers in the store and stealing from them. No, dont think this is a good enough reason, and a lame one, to have a fine dismissed. If it is just a fine, you are lucky.

    Tickle, I've shopped for groceries in the same place for years. I never knew that entitled me to steal from them!

    Montreal must be a fun place.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
    Don't get me wrong,I'm not defending myself,I'm just concerned that even if I not beign arrested,I understand that the money I've spent on medication is not an excuse or an entitlement to steal but, as a LEGAL effect on me, how does the fine relate to my everyday life and my family's? Will it affect my ability to become employed? This is my concern
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by stewiemullen View Post
    dont get me wrong,im not defending myself,im just concerned that even if i not beign arrested,i understand that the money ive spent on medication is not an excuse or an entitlement to steal but, as a LEGAL effect on me, how does the fine relate to my everyday life and my family's? will it affect my ability to become employed? this is my concern

    If you weren't arrested and this is between you and the store, no, it won't affect your employment. Who set the fine? If it was the Police, yes, there will be a record of it that will follow you.

    You have spent thousands of dollars there but you are shopping with friends and concerned about your ability to become employed? I assume you aren't currently working?

    How old are you?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:26 AM
    I am under the age of 16, the policeman said that they had nothing on me except a small note on file,so nothing was made on my record,but the fine itself, will it be noted somewhere? If so can it be used to tarnish my parents right to be employed in security clearance environments?me and my parents are going in next week to talk to the manager about the business, but as I said the money isn't my concern but the legal effects on me and my parents
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:32 AM
    Retailers are permitted to charge a civil fine for theft. Generally this fine is from $250-$500 depending on store and msituation.. As a ,minor your parents will be informed of the fine.

    Your being a frequent customer may or may not have an affect on the store's decision.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
    Well the man said that the fine would be 200$, but I'm still unclear on how this affect my parents employment? Does this fine have anything that could affect my parents employment which requires a security clearance?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    I am absolutely astonished! My late husband owned several Pharmacies. He had a LOT of "regular" customers for a LOT of years. Not a single one ever stole from him/us and used the "good, regular customer" reason as an excuse.

    No, fines get paid. Fines don't get dismissed. If it's the the money that is concerning you, what exactly is your concern? You haven't been arrested, you haven't been charged, you haven't been fingerprint had mug shots taken. So it's about the money.

    How will the fine affect you? You'll have that much less in your pocket at the end of the day.

    Want to know how your stealing affects the store and all the other "good, regular" customers? And the store owner?

    I wouldn't let you back in the store, "good customer" or not. Apparently we have very different versions of what a "good customer" is.

    Just so I have this right, how many "thousands of dollars" do you have to spend over a period of years before you are entitled to steal and not be fined? You are aware, of course, that people spend thousands of dollars A YEAR in the same stores, right?

    My late husband is rolling over in his grave.
    Sorry for missing out on a detail, I was told I was banned from the store, and the fact that I purchase my prescription medication there, I was wondering since I was a regular customer ( over 9 years) that I could be pardoned of the ban .
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by stewiemullen View Post
    sorry for missing out on a detail, i was told i was banned from the store, and the fact that i purchase my prescription medication there, i was wondering since i was a regular customer ( over 9 years) that i could be pardoned of the ban .
    You said you are under 16. Your parents must purchase your prescriptions there. Are you worried they are banned too?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:12 PM
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    You said you are under 16. Your parents must purchase your prescriptions there. Are you worried they are banned too?
    Yes,I am, but please could you tell me if the fine will affect my parents in anyway?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:15 PM
    Your parents didn't do anything wrong,so why should they be fined or banned? Of course, it does depend on the store's policy regarding parental responsibility for their minor children and to what lengths the store will pursue theft by a minor.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:16 PM
    But my parents have jobs which require security clearance, does the fine affect that?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:16 PM
    I don't know what the store's policy is.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:18 PM
    Your parents are still in the dark about your theft?
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Your parents are still in the dark about your theft?
    No, both my parents know
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:24 PM
    If you feel you can't get a proper answer here, ask the police about your concerns, but the theft wasn't by your parents, it was you, so why would your parents be involved. Think it through.
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    Aug 18, 2012, 12:31 PM
    Well my parents have jobs where even if they aren't on record, any one in the family with a record can put risk. If I had receive a file,both my parents would be a risk of losing their passes,

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