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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:14 PM

    I agree there is nothing wrong in baptising a baby other than many people who do are following tradition that they really don't understand from a Biblical point.

    Why do you say there is nothing in scripture which requires you to be saved?
    It is all through the Bible.
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Agreed. There is nothing in scripture which requires that you to be saved. We are commended to be baptized as adults, so it is an act of obedience, but there is nothing telling us that babies are to be baptized. There is nothing wrong with doing so, but it will not affect the baby's salvation, nor does it count as believer's baptism.
    "which requires you to be saved"?
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    "which requires you to be saved"?
    The context is baptism - nothing that requires you to be baptized to be saved.
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    #84

    Jul 14, 2009, 02:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post

    Why do you say there is nothing in scripture which requires you to be saved?
    It is all through the Bible.
    Sorry I meant that requires you to be baptized to be saved.
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    The context is baptism - nothing that requires you to be baptized to be saved.
    Good save!
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:30 PM

    I also was getting confused over who was claiming what vs claiming what they were claiming the other was stating.

    I think I got it now. You both agree you have to be saved and baptism is not necessary for baby's but it is not wrong either.
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    I think I got it now. You both agree you have to be saved and baptism is not necessary for babys but it is not wrong either.
    Babies are commanded by God to be baptized. I was born on Nov. 10th and baptized on Dec. 2nd.
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    I also was getting confused over who was claiming what vs claiming what they were claiming the other was stating.

    I think I got it now. You both agree you have to be saved and baptism is not necessary for babys but it is not wrong either.
    Where I suspect that she and I differ is on what the meaning is of a baby baptism. I do not see any significance given to it in scripture. I would therefore see it being like a dedication. I definitely do not see it being equal to adult believer's baptism.
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Babies are commanded by God to be baptized.
    References?
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    References?
    Already given in this thread.
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    #91

    Jul 14, 2009, 02:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Already given in this thread.
    The only one that I saw you give is:

    ""Go ye therefore...baptize all nations." (Babies are part of "all nations.")"

    That does not command babies to be baptized, or if you assume that, it would mean that non-believers should be baptized also. Is that what you mean to say?
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:43 PM

    Yeah I would love to know the references other than the ONE she gave already.

    MY Bible teaches submersion as an adult after you repent.
    Baby baptism is YOUR parents professing THEIR faith NOT yours
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    Jul 14, 2009, 02:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post

    That does not command babies to be baptized, or if you assume that, it would mean that non-believers should be baptized also. Is that what you mean to say?
    Great catch!!
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