[talaniman]

That's what you get after 5 years of name calling and dirty tricks and obstruction of his agenda, appointments and just about everything you could throw at him. And still after 2 elections you expect him to kiss YOUR butts.

That's outrageous. Keep celebrating your shutdown and be happy like Ted C, and Michelle B. and Sarah P. and Rush L.

[speechlesstx]

Ironic that after 8 years of Bush and a president, Pelosi and Reid calling us terrorists and anarchists, refusing to negotiate on anything you would make such an outlandish comment.

As one Tea Party congressman just said, Clinton didn't intentionally antagonize Republicans. I would add that Bush didn't intentionally antagonize Democrats, and I'd say that Obama's problem is he doesn't even pretend to be the president of all Americans, he thinks it's all about him. So spare me your nonsensical rants.

[excon]

Hello again,

So, it looks to ME like the Republicans got their a$$'s handed to them. Their shutdown gave them NOTHING except a potential loss of the their majority in the House.

Will you please correct me and tell me how you won?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

So, it looks to ME like the Republicans got their a$$'s handed to them. Their shutdown gave them NOTHING except a potential loss of the their majority in the House.

Will you please correct me and tell me how you won??

excon

So, like Dingy Harry and the WH it was all about winning. Screw the country, just win, baby.

[NeedKarma]

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-debt-ceiling

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

So, like Dingy Harry and the WH it was all about winning. Screw the country, just win, baby.

So, you DID lose, huh? Bummer for you.

Look. Since Obama represents the people, and right wingers don't, when HE wins WE ALL win.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:So, you DID lose. Bummer for you.

Look. Since Obama represents the people, and right wingers don't, when HE wins WE ALL win.

Excon

I did not announce any winners or losers, I spoke of attitudes. As I said above:

As one Tea Party congressman just said, Clinton didn't intentionally antagonize Republicans. I would add that Bush didn't intentionally antagonize Democrats, and I'd say that Obama's problem is he doesn't even pretend to be the president of all Americans, he thinks it's all about him.

BY all means you can try to show us how he has even tried to be the president to all but he hasn't. He's been the most partisan, divisive president
In my lifetime. You can pretend he isn't but you're only fooling yourself, not us.

I know you aren't stupid (stubborn, yes) so I'm quite certain you can see the intentional pain he's inflicted on Americans to get his way. I doubt you'll admit it, but I know you can see it, and it's a pathetic, shameful way for the 'leader' of the American people to behave.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I know you aren't stupid (stubborn, yes) so I'm quite certain you can see the intentional pain he's inflicted on Americans to get his way. I doubt you'll admit it

Apparently, you think I'm a hypocrite, and my partisanship WON'T let me admit it.

Listen here, right winger. I'm going to give YOU a great deal more respect than you just gave me. Here's the FACTS. You are WRONG. Your politics are WRONG. And you're ON the WRONG side.

But, I don't think you're a hypocrite about it.

Excon

[tomder55]

I see no "win or loss "at this time . Bonehead threw the emperor a bone and the emperor rejected it. Both sides are now talking.. Did I miss anything else ? When the emperor rejected the 6 week extension of the debt ceiling .Bonehead should've ended the talks then .

I'll tell you where America lost . The emperor using his manufactured crisis to skip the 2 Asian conferences.That was a big loser for the country .

As for the talks ,my biggest concern is that Mitch McConnell will go soft. He represents the worse of the Republic instinct. He's 'Charlie Brown' to the emperor as 'Lucy" ,

Charlie Brown, Lucy and the Football. - YouTube

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Did I miss anything else ?

Uhhh, YEAH!

The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Excon

[tomder55]

Oh yeah .I forgot to reference the poll of the day! If I did then I would've also seen the emperor's ratings tanking.
Would that be the poll that has this weighting ?
43% of Respondents are Democrats and 32% were Republicans. 44% voted for Obama vs 35% for Romney. And 5% did not know who they voted for.
And 22% of those questioned are either Fed ,State ,or local gvt employees .

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...s/Oct_poll.pdf
I usually don't quote polls when they favor my position because I don't trust the methodology of the questioning ,and the questions used to make the evaluations. I especially don't trust MSNBCs polling even if they combine their resources with the WSJ . The only part of the WSJ that has much credibility to me is their editorial dept.which has a separate editor from the rest of the publication. And before you say it ;yes I know who owns it... the guy who gave his campaign contributions to the emperor.

Pg 16 and 17 of the pdf.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
Apparently, you think I'm a hypocrite, and my partisanship WON'T let me admit it.

No, I'm not calling you anything. I think you're a good man but I am disappointed you won't admit to the hyper-partisan ways of this president and the abuses the regime has intentionally perpetrated on its citizens in the last two weeks.

Listen here, right winger. I'm going to give YOU a great deal more respect than you just gave me. Here's the FACTS. You are WRONG. Your politics are WRONG. And you're ON the WRONG side.

But, I don't think you're a hypocrite about it.

And I think you're wrong, too, but let's stop the charade. We don't hate Obama, we don't hate women, we aren't coming after their tampons or birth control, we don't hate children after their born or want to rape and pillage the poor. Time to grow up and talk like adults.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

but I am disappointed you won't admit to the hyper-partisan ways of this president and the abuses the regime has intentionally perpetrated on its citizens in the last two weeks.

Here's what you don't get. I have seen NO evidence of Obama INTENTIONALLY perpetrating ANYTHING on his citizens. I don't know WHAT press you're reading that tells you that, but I DON'T read them. And, if I did, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE them. You think, I think LIKE you, but I don't.

What I see, is the damage to the country that you right wingers caused by shutting down the government.. The evidence is CLEAR.

I COULD ask what's wrong with YOU that you don't see it, but I don't think you're a hypocrite.

Excon

[talaniman]

Romney and Rove didn't believe the polls either. Seems the only ones blaming the Prez for this shutdown are the right wing TParty types.

[NeedKarma]

Time to grow up and talk like adults.

I've been saying that for a while now but you just answer by insulting me.

[speechlesstx]

I've been saying that for a while now but you just answer by insulting me.

When you decide to act like an adult I'll treat you like one.

[NeedKarma]

See?

[tomder55]

Romney and Rove didn't believe the polls either. Seems the only ones blaming the Prez for this shutdown are the right wing TParty types.

Since we are quoting polls... his job approval rating was at 37% last I saw and was dropping into GW territory. The must be a lot of TP types out there .

[Wondergirl]

since we are quoting polls ....his job approval rating was at 37% last I saw and was dropping into GW territory. The must be alot of TP types out there .

What's Congress's approval rating now?

"Republicans again earned a 17%-approval rating from Americans, the same number from the Quinnipiac University poll conducted last week. Seventy percent of the public disapproves of the party now, down from 74%."

[tomder55]

Yup Congress sucks too. Too many beltway Repubics and Dems in it.