[paraclete]

There can be no doubt that a solution to the problems of migration in Europe is needed.

Some arguments that we have seen previously have resurfaced. The NYT took it upon itsself to criticise the successful Australian solution of not allowing those who come illegally to stay, thus depriving the people smugglers who trade in misery and overcrowded boats a market, but such a solution is too radical for a world that is knee deep in migrants or refugees. This is not to say refugees should not be assisted to resettle, but how do you tell the difference between a refugee and an economic migrant in such a confused situation

What is apparent with these peoples is that they are no respecters of borders or of laws. Their mistrust of authority may be well founded but if you go to a different country the first priority is to respect the laws. They have a single minded approach to their destination and are hard to persuade that there might be other solutions.

The thought that keeps exercising my mind is why should Europe be responsible for these people, why shouldn't the cashed up arab countries with whom these people share ethnicity and religion step up and provide for them

[Fr_Chuck]

Why is it so radical to merely deport anyone who enters a nation illegally. We do not hear a lot of issues of Russia and China having a lot of illegal immigration.

While not a perfect world, China for example, to ride a train or plane, you must show proper legal ID. (Yes everyone of their billion people have a national ID card). IF you want to open a bank account, you must have that ID card. If you want to rent an apartment, you must show that ID card.

So even if someone was here illegally they could almost do nothing.

[smoothy]

Its well know here that the New York Times is run and staffed by idiots. Beholden to the DNC who wants illegals voting for them and their Marxist causes illegally...because they can't get enough dead people doing it, and its hard for the living to vote more than 8 or nine times an election.

Illegals should NOT have "Rights" and should be sent back to where they came from...if they are wanted there or not.

[paraclete]

I agree that anyone who breaks a law in a country and is not a citizens should be deported but we have the extraordinary rule, no doubt thought up by the UN, that a person should not be returned to danger, therefore a persosn fleeing a war situation cannot be returned to their country of origin. What I don't get and maybe it is because I'm not a muslim is that a person can just make a decision to go to another counrty and they have to be accepted, even without documantation. These Syrians who are arriving in Europe are transitting countries like Turkey where they are not under threat and even have refugee camps but they have the dillusion that things will be better in some far off place. They seem to be under the impression that hundreds of thousands of people can just be accommodated when they arrive. There is an expectation of open doors hospitality which is beyond reasonable. There is no war in afghanistan now and yet Afghans are migrating to Europe

[tomder55]

The lefties argue that it's Europe's problem because these are all former colonies.They also make the case that NATOs humanitarian R2P attacks in Libya created the refugee problem in North Africa . However ,this migration problem predates the over throw of Q Daffy.

We have our migration problems to deal with . Seems your laws are more rational .


https://www.google.com/#q=sneakin+into+the+usa

[Catsmine]

I vote to stop the war. Let Iran have the bomb. An airburst about 80 meters above Tehran would be about right. Then IS can treat radiation sickness rather than apostasy.

[paraclete]

The lefties argue that it's Europe's problem because these are all former colonies.They also make the case that NATOs humanitarian R2P attacks in Libya created the refugee problem in North Africa . However ,this migration problem predates the over throw of Q Daffy.

We have our migration problems to deal with . Seems your laws are more rational .


https://www.google.com/#q=sneakin+into+the+usa

Yes our laws are more rational, helped along by our indigenous who wish they had not been so welcoming in the eighteenth century Europe will rue the day they welcomed a muslim population into their midst, what the Ottomans could not do, their great grand children will do.
Cats you are suggesting that airburst in the wrong place, the name of Daesh HQ is Racca and Daesh would treat radiation sickness the way they treat everything else, off with their heads but to stop the flow of refugees you need one over Damascus as well

[paraclete]

What I would like to know is how bad is the situation really when the father of the drowned child could take his son back to Korbane for burial. Hundreds of miles back to where he came from and in a few days. There is something very seriel about this crisis

[Catsmine]

Cats you are suggesting that airburst in the wrong place, the name of Daesh HQ is Racca and Daesh would treat radiation sickness the way they treat everything else, off with their heads but to stop the flow of refugees you need one over Damascus as well

Their military will dry up and blow away without funding. Riyadh and Damascus will shut right down if Tehran stops being the number one target.

[smoothy]

Just heard in the news that a Egyptian Billionaire wants to buy a ISLAND to help this refuges in Europe. He is looking into Greece or Italy. He also picked a name for it,
"HOPE".. May be people like Bill Gates can lend him hands to build that ! May be that would be the next Heaven for Immigrant after America..

Then its solved... we round them all up and send them to Egypt.

Because I can tell you...except for the Communists in Italy looking to expand their voting base....nobody else in Italy wants them. And Greece can't pay their own bills.

[Catsmine]

And Greece can't pay their own bills.

The guy can probably get all of Greece for cheap.

[tickle]

I can't get the imagine of that little dead child on the beach. And then he is in the man's arms.

Cameron has said he will let thousands into the UK, but where will they put them.

My son in Germany told me today that there is a lot of Syrian Immigrants already living there and they are in a small town on the Dutch border.

[smoothy]

In Italy a lot of them are committing crimes... theft, robbery, assaults, murder, rapes. Just like they probably did at home.

[paraclete]

Just heard in the news that a Egyptian Billionaire wants to buy a ISLAND to help this refuges in Europe. He is looking into Greece or Italy. He also picked a name for it,
"HOPE".. May be people like Bill Gates can lend him hands to build that ! May be that would be the next Heaven for Immigrant after America..

Why does his island have to be in Europe surely there are plenty of Islands going cheap in Asia, Africa or the vast oceans of the world, but it solves nothing because it takes vast resources to construct buildings and inferstructure otherwise you are just transferring the problem, there was an idea floated the other day to fill the empty quarter in Arabia, sounds like a great idea

[tomder55]

The 1985 Schengen Agreement, which eliminates border controls among member states will likely be reformed to make room for countries to tighten their border controls . It's another nail in the coffin of the EU which gave up notions of sovereignty .

[paraclete]

The 1985 Schengen Agreement, which eliminates border controls among member states will likely be reformed to make room for countries to tighten their border controls . It's another nail in the coffin of the EU which gave up notions of sovereignty .

If you had been in Europe you would know there are no borders, no guardposts, no barriers. It is only on those countries that border a non EU state that any check is made and usually with a stamp of a six months visa. In Basle I crossed the border three times in one night and no one checked anything. It would be like Virginia trying to stop traffic to Washington, utter chaos. At least the UK showed some sense and didn't pass soveriegnty to Brussles. I may have a misunderstanding of the German economy but how can Germany just absorb hundreds of thousands of Syrians at a time when it was baulking at helping out Greece. Where does the instant housing come from? The services? Germany is not a multicultural place. A few years ago they were sending Turks home and complaining about the east germans

[paraclete]

It took a long time but the penny has finally dropped in this ME refugee crisis. We should be selective, we should give priority to christians. These are the unwanted people in this crisis, the targets of Daesh and the targets of the various muslim groups. If they are brought here there are supportive groups within the community and they will not be looking back to involve themselves in wars in their former homeland

Operation rescue: the Christians of the Middle East face extinction

The ethnic cleansing of christians in the ME has been ignored as the world has tried to tackle larger issues and the thousands of refugees in Europe again draw attention away from what is actually happening to minority populations. In the face of a refugee crisis the question also needs to be asked as to how our program appears to be failing, we have quotas that are not being met, has the queue shortened? No, it has gotten longer but the nature of the crisis itsself means that varification of the status of refugees has become harder and the actual intake is much smaller.

It is no wonnder that refugees in Europe are unwilling to wait for the registration process as they are expected to, the bureaucracy has failed, What might sound reasonable with smaller numbers becomes impossible

[tomder55]

[paraclete]

Thanks for your myoptic vision Tom. I know this issue doesn't affect the US they are just one of the push factors, don't fall off that pedistal

[tomder55]

we are probably going to take in somewhere's around 75,000 refugees from Syria alone . So get off your high horse. We already are inundated with refugees from Somalia...some of whom have travelled overseas to join Jihadistan once they became American citizens .... and many more are significantly changing the culture of towns like Dearborn Michigan as they insist that we assimilate to their culture instead of the reverse.