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tomder55 · May 1, 2014, 02:18 PM

and in Alaska ,the Feds want to seize Indian lands.
Feds consider taking Alaska tribal land into trust

talaniman · May 1, 2014, 02:34 PM

The rule barring the department from taking Alaska tribal land into trust dates back to 1980. That's when the program was created for lower 48 Native Americans. It is among "Alaska exceptions" denying Alaska Natives the same rights as lower 48 Indians and it is partly the legacy of the 1971 Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.
The president of the National Congress of American Indians said he was "greatly encouraged" by the proposed rule change.

What's wrong with Alaskan Indians having the same right of self governance as the other Indians of America? Why should natives be ruled by immigrants?

smoothy · May 1, 2014, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

What's wrong with Alaskan Indians having the same right of self governance as the other Indians of America? Why should natives be ruled by immigrants?

We have a Kenyan doing that now...

talaniman · May 1, 2014, 03:11 PM

No that's an immigrant governing other immigrants and that includes YOU.

paraclete · May 1, 2014, 03:24 PM

you sure you spelt that right

smoothy · May 1, 2014, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

No that's an immigrant governing other immigrants and that includes YOU.

They were immigrants too... they just got here before we did. THey didn't evolve into homosapeans here... they did that someplace else long before they came here.

tomder55 · May 1, 2014, 04:00 PM

The trust relationship between the federal government and tribal governments is the foundation of all policies affecting Indian Country," Brian Cladoosby said in a statement released Thursday. "That Alaska Native peoples have been cut out of this critical arrangement is unacceptable and has created myriad problems for those tribes."

I had a long conversation with some Utes when I was at Mesa Verde. They didn't speak so kindly of the" trust relationship between the federal government and tribal governments". Didn't sound like they trusted the Federal Government at all.

talaniman · May 1, 2014, 05:05 PM

Indians have right wingers too? Imagine that.

Catsmine · May 1, 2014, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Indians have right wingers too? Imagine that.

I grew up with several Cherokee whose great grandparents hid from the Feds of Andrew Jackson. They're not real thrilled with the record of the Federal Government's trustworthiness either.

paraclete · May 1, 2014, 05:26 PM

No your history of dealing with indigenous peoples is appalling,What was it they said "white man speaks with forked tongue"? You haven't changed your ways

smoothy · May 1, 2014, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

No your history of dealing with indigenous peoples is appalling,What was it they said "white man speaks with forked tongue"? You haven't changed your ways

Can't say your countries was much better.

paraclete · May 1, 2014, 06:49 PM

Well we didn't set out to cheat them, we didn't exercute treaties and then uproot the natives and move them a thousand miles away or conduct death matches. We didn't make military incursions with the intention of wiping them out, what we did was just ignore their existence for say a hundred years or two. So when you speak about what others have done remember we do what we do with a different ethos and we recognise mistakes and change

talaniman · May 1, 2014, 06:53 PM

Breaking news

Congressman: Bundy Militia Has Set Up Road 'Checkpoints' In Nevada

The militia, as reported by Horsford's constituents, "have set up checkpoints where residents are required to prove they live in the area before being allowed to pass," the letter said.
They have also maintained a presence, sometimes armed, along highways and roads, as well as community sites like churches and schools, the letter asserted.

Trying to confirm reports of skirmishes between rival militias.

tomder55 · May 1, 2014, 07:27 PM

so far the only casualty from road blocks in the area was the killing of D’Andre Berghardt Jr by BLM agents.

talaniman · May 1, 2014, 07:45 PM

That was in February. What does that have to do with the militia's policing Bunkerville? Why? On whose authority?

smoothy · May 2, 2014, 05:34 AM

It's a free country... what authority does the BLM have to do what they were doing threatening and shooting people and their animals.

Next thing THe Department of Education will be shooting people for having outstanding parking tickets.

talaniman · May 2, 2014, 06:39 AM

Get a cup of coffee and tell me what you would do if a couple of armed out of state vigilantes asked you to show papers and explain what your business is in YOUR own neighborhood. It's a free country but making it a lawless one in light of your rant about a lawless administration is ridicules and you know it.

To add BLM had a lawful court order to deal with Bundy until those out of state militias showed up. That seems to be a problem for you Smoothy without that cup of coffee you get lame, and entitled and fail to see the utter hypocrisy of your position. Your account of events is grossly inaccurate.

No wonder Obama moons you, and sent you lipstick for Christmas.

cdad · May 2, 2014, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

That was in February. What does that have to do with the militia's policing Bunkerville? Why? On whose authority?

They aren't policing Bunkerville. They remain on private property with the exception of small groups tagging along with Bundy. Being on private property is no crime so long as it is done with permission. In this case they do have the permission of the owner.

As militia digs in, neighbors grow weary of Cliven Bundy brouhaha - Las Vegas Sun News

smoothy · May 2, 2014, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Get a cup of coffee and tell me what you would do if a couple of armed out of state vigilantes asked you to show papers and explain what your business is in YOUR own neighborhood. It's a free country but making it a lawless one in light of your rant about a lawless administration is ridicules and you know it.

To add BLM had a lawful court order to deal with Bundy until those out of state militias showed up. That seems to be a problem for you Smoothy without that cup of coffee you get lame, and entitled and fail to see the utter hypocrisy of your position. Your account of events is grossly inaccurate.

No wonder Obama moons you, and sent you lipstick for Christmas.

What business did the BLM have in Nevada with paid mercenary snipers anyway?

And if any of US hired mercenary snipers... we'd be doing a long stint in a Federal prison.

THe BLM isn't the police....they don't have police powers...and they certainly aren't a private army.

Really not surprised Tal...You think the NY Slimes and the Washington comPost Are some kind of pillars of indisputible fact and the only news fit to print....if they don't cover it then it didn't happen. Fact is there are a LOT of things going on ignored by the Pro-Obama press who fudged reality to help get him into office and for the most part are still covering up for all his transgressions......except in a few cases where cracks are forming and they let slip out something not favorible to him from time to time.

The alternative media have more facts on a daily basis than all of the pro-Obama drive by media have in their collective.

talaniman · May 2, 2014, 03:08 PM

What business did the BLM have in Nevada with paid mercenary snipers anyway?

You cannot ignore he was on federal land, and given an order to vacate. Like any other non paying squatter.

And if any of US hired mercenary snipers... we'd be doing a long stint in a Federal prison.

We agree Bundy and his volunteer mercenaries protecting him from arrest should e in federal prison.

THe BLM isn't the police... they don't have police powers... and they certainly aren't a private army.

Yes they do, on federal lands.