[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Again with that lie, I feed at least 9 people every day plus what my tax dollars do.

And, I run a business. You're a good liberal, and I'm a good conservative.

Nonetheless, your PARTY is the selfish party. MY party, is the share in the wealth party.

excon

[talaniman]

As we speak the rich guys are happily counting money as the Dow reaches 16,000, and you are trying to feed 9 people off your meager earnings that have reached any higher for a decade.

What's wrong with that picture?

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
And, I run a business. You're a good liberal, and I'm a good conservative.

Nonetheless, your PARTY is the selfish party. MY party, is the share in the wealth party.

excon

It is not sharing if you're taking from one to give to another. It's not a difficult concept to understand. But thank you both for validating my football analogy.Next time one of you is beating me in fantasy football I as the generous benevolent commissioner will take some of your points and give to my team.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I as the generous benevolent commissioner will take some of your points and give to my team.

If you can enlist a majority of the powers that be to change the rules, then go ahead...

But, it's those pesky mechanical things about running the country that escape you. You seem to think the Democrats threw you on the ground and TOOK stuff from you. But, the laws that allowed them to DO that, were PASSED in congress, and signed by the president. That ONLY happens when a MAJORITY of the people WANT it. THAT is how it works here.

You DO understand the word MAJORITY, don't you??? Even IF you're NOT a member of the majority, when the majority SPEAKS, you're INCLUDED. When we say THE people spoke, YOU'RE included. I know you don't like that. Bummer for you.

excon

[tomder55]

As we speak the rich guys are happily counting money as the Dow reaches 16,000, and you are trying to feed 9 people off your meager earnings that have reached any higher for a decade.

What's wrong with that picture?

I guess you should go for it
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[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
If you can enlist a majority of the powers that be to change the rules, then go ahead...

But, it's those pesky mechanical things about running the country that escape you. You seem to think the Democrats threw you on the ground and TOOK stuff from you. But, the laws that allowed them to DO that, were PASSED in congress, and signed by the president. That ONLY happens when a MAJORITY of the people WANT it. THAT is how it works here.

You DO understand the word MAJORITY, don't you??? Even IF you're NOT a member of the majority, when the majority SPEAKS, you're INCLUDED. When we say THE people spoke, YOU'RE included. I know you don't like that. Bummer for you.

excon

You didn't sing that tune when you were in the minority, but hey the law is the law. Doesn't make it right OR fair does it? Especially when The Liar so brazenly picks and chooses what laws he wants to enforce and laws he wants to disregard or change by executive fiat without that congressional approval..

[talaniman]

I guess you should go for it
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We don't do that here. We raise taxes on those lying job creators until they do their job. But you guys besides losing elections despite all that loot, are still protecting them.

They must pay the henchmen very well. What! You do the dirty work for free! :(

Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

[speechlesstx]

Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

See Venezuela, Greece, etc. etc.

[tomder55]

We don't do that here. We raise taxes on those lying job creators until they do their job. But you guys besides losing elections despite all that loot, are still protecting them.

They must pay the henchmen very well. What! You do the dirty work for free! :(

Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

lol the progressive Dems are eyeball deep in protectionism and corporate give-aways despite their phony populist rhetoric. Again ;it was conservatives and some libertarians that cast votes against TARP ,and the budget busting stimulus .

[talaniman]

Well Tom letting everything collapse and have everybody losing everything was just not a better idea, and it was more far reaching than just our country. Why would you wish ruin on everyone?

[tomder55]

Well Tom letting everything collapse and have everybody losing everything was just not a better idea, and it was more far reaching than just our country. Why would you wish ruin on everyone?

That was just speculation. I say that failure is a good part of the capitalist system. A 'moral hazard' is a situation where a party will have a tendency to take risks because the costs that could incur will not be felt by the party . In other words ,there was a general understanding that if the sh*t hit the fan ,that the government would invoke this bs 'too big to fail' and use the power of government to keep the insitutions afloat . Had there been instead an understanding that bad business decisions would put them out of business ,then they would've been more cautious in their approach. But that wouldn't have served the gvt either since it was the gvt that compelled them to take irrational risk in the first place.

[talaniman]

My version is it was robbery through fraud, knowingly selling a defective product. Collusion between banks and rating agencies on a global scale... GREED. As the dust settles after the shock, they will be held accountable. Slowly but surely.

[Tuttyd]

I'm a believer in equality of opportunity, not mandated equity. I happen to know my liberal friends here are sports fans. In the real world 2 football teams begin with the same rules, the same number of players, a score of 0-0 and the team that takes advantage of their opportunity wins.

In their world if one team gets ahead, like the Saints did the Cowboys, they would try to level the playing field. Sorry Saints, you should not have been so greedy so Brees has to sit. If that doesn't make it fair then you lose Jimmy Graham, too. If after that you're still hoarding all the points there goes your cornerbacks until finally the hapless Cowboys tie it up and everyone is equal. Unless of course my liberal friends are Saints fans then they keep everyone in and pay off the referees.

p.s. and take 14 points from the Cowboys.

Your "real world" view is precisely the problem. In the world professional sports equal opportunity is all important to elite athletes. You are given every opportunity to prove you can compete with the best. Coaches pick the best possible team from the players available. If you are not up to the standard then you don't get picked.

When it comes to life skills and success at living there are some people who could be considered 'elite'. They are the most successful and most prosperous members of society.

Some people want to play professional football because they believe they have the skills to be successful. Everyone has to play the game of life. We have no choice. All humans and far from equal in that regard. Some people in our society no matter how hard they try will never be successful at the game of life.

The analogy doesn't work

[tomder55]

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )

[Wondergirl]

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )

And the preferred way of life would be?

[tomder55]

Where liberty is, there is my country.
(Benjamin Franklin )

[Wondergirl]

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )

The whole quote is:

The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery.

[tomder55]

He may have used that quote also but the complete Churcill quote I referenced is :
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

[Tuttyd]

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )

Not on this side of the equator

(Tutty)

[paraclete]

Not on this side of the equator

(Tutty)

It's all in a definition Tutt, what Churchill was speaking of was communism. Socialism is a society organised to bring the greater good to as many as possible whereas capitalism is a society organised to bring the greater good to those possessing the means of production.

Our implementation of liberal values and socialist economic theory has indeed brought the greater good to the greatest number without stopping capitalistic endeavour. Tom doesn't realise that such things are possible, for him it is all or nothing