[talaniman]

Americans LOVE SS, Medicare, and Medicare part D after the ACA closed the donut hole for seniors. In addition people LOVE the elimination of caps on healthcare, elimination of denying coverage for preexisting conditions, and keeping kids on parents insurance until they are 26, and insurance companies can't cancel you when you do get sick.

So why do you want to repeal any of those things?

[speechlesstx]

Poll: Most Look To A Rosier Future - CBS News



Healthcare-NOW! - Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer



The pols reflect what I have been saying. Screw the for profit market based pandering and cut out the middle man.

You're giving me polls from 2009?

[talaniman]

Pa. advocates want single payer; 'Obamacare' doesn't go far enough | Physicians for a National Health Program

But about five years ago, things changed. Goulden was diagnosed with chronic liver disease and as he watched his insurance premiums skyrocket, he said he realized why he had never before had a problem with the company - he had never been sick.

"They pushed me out," Goulden said. "I faced the possibility of losing everything I had worked for."

"People worry about these death panels and a government rationing of care," Michael said. "They worry that a single-payer system eliminates their freedom of choice, but a single-payer actually gives more choice. Right now you are locked into a network of providers and can only get what they give you, anyway."

He said it is only logical to take a good look at which procedures work and which do not before paying for them, and the decision to do so in other countries has not hurt the health of its citizens.

Under a single-payer system, those who can afford experimental or elective procedures can always pay for those themselves or purchase additional private insurance. Health care in the U.S is already essentially rationed, he said, but it is rationed according to income level, as opposed to quality and need.

"We can't afford to pay for everything for everybody," Michael said, "and whether insurance companies ration it for their own profit or the government does it is a matter of semantics."

[tomder55]

and the fact that "we" were lied to. Sorry ,that revelation is a game changer. Kalifornia had some 67,000 registered and a million people lost their heath care in the state that is held up as an example for the rest of the nation.

[talaniman]

4 million out of 360 million, do the math and look in the mirror, what did YOU lose in the deal?

[speechlesstx]

Pa. advocates want single payer; 'Obamacare' doesn't go far enough | Physicians for a National Health Program

So one activist group in PA and two 4 year old polls is what you've got to prove "we" DO want government run health care? And you said my post had no basis in fact?

[Tuttyd]

And that's what Medicaid is for. Could we not have improved on that instead of hosing 85 percent of the country who liked their health care and weren't imposing on others?

That would have been a sensible option, but unfortunately it is not possible. There are many reasons for this. Too many to mention in one sitting.

[paraclete]

That would have been a sensible option, but unfortunately it is not possible. There are many reasons for this. Too many to mention in one sitting.

Oh come Tutt, do tell, it seems some need to be reminded why you couldn't have a simple solution

[speechlesstx]

I'm a believer in equality of opportunity, not mandated equity. I happen to know my liberal friends here are sports fans. In the real world 2 football teams begin with the same rules, the same number of players, a score of 0-0 and the team that takes advantage of their opportunity wins.

In their world if one team gets ahead, like the Saints did the Cowboys, they would try to level the playing field. Sorry Saints, you should not have been so greedy so Brees has to sit. If that doesn't make it fair then you lose Jimmy Graham, too. If after that you're still hoarding all the points there goes your cornerbacks until finally the hapless Cowboys tie it up and everyone is equal. Unless of course my liberal friends are Saints fans then they keep everyone in and pay off the referees.

p.s. and take 14 points from the Cowboys.

[tomder55]

I believe you've finally found the formula for a Cowboy win ! Giants get that same equal playing field this week when the Green Bean Pickers come into town starting their 3rd string QB.

[talaniman]

Good analogy, but have you noticed that the playing field is always level from start to finish? That's not always true in society. Too many ways to smile and keep people down and challenged, like a recession that some are more capable to withstand, or bailing out Wall Street, and ignoring Main St.

Even the Saint's and Sean Payton were punished for targeting players with money as an incentive for eliminating key opposition players. That wasn't fair or right for that to happen and I'm sure you agree, decidedly underhanded. It's one thing to stink on your own, quite another to put a skunk in some ones bed.

[tomder55]

or bailing out Wall Street, and ignoring Main St.

As I recall ,the bailout was a consensus solution by the establishment, with dissents and nay votes coming from conservatives .

[speechlesstx]

Good analogy, but have you noticed that the playing field is always level from start to finish? That's not always true in society. Too many ways to smile and keep people down and challenged, like a recession that some are more capable to withstand, or bailing out Wall Street, and ignoring Main St.

Even the Saint's and Sean Payton were punished for targeting players with money as an incentive for eliminating key opposition players. That wasn't fair or right for that to happen and I'm sure you agree, decidedly underhanded. It's one thing to stink on your own, quite another to put a skunk in some ones bed.

I believe my point was equality of opportunity. The analogy is how your side plays the game.

[talaniman]

Harshness Alert

No its not, its about how you guys play the game. Underhanded is the word I used. You wrap yourself in family and flag and screw people when they want opportunity. Your M.O. is separate but equal, but its not equal, just separate.

What else can explain the holding the door open for rich guys to rob us, and misdirect the posse? What else can explain ignoring the many in need for the few that make noise? What else can explain calling a robber a job creator, while destroying the only thing that makes us EQUAL... the VOTE!

Don't bother denying it, we all know in the face of reality, you guys make more noise and holler louder, to hide the reality of your own actions. That's why you get stuff shoved down your throats because your mouth is always open, instead of your ears. (you could chew thoroughly like yo' mama told you, but you greedy ******* like to swallow things whole and blame us for you choking)

There can be no equal opportunity as long as we leave the definition just to you guys. Keep hollering, we ain't listening to the noise, we see what you're doing. Its no surprise that people VOTE against you, and what you are trying to do.

End of soapbox... for now!

[tomder55]

Harshness Alert

Its no surprise that people VOTE against you, and what you are trying to do.

End of soapbox... for now!

The people vote for the liars who offer them free stuff.

[talaniman]

The people vote for the liars who offer them free stuff.

People vote against the liars who will take stuff, and replace it with misery. I told you that you weren't good at listening, so keep the sour grapes, and excuses, and false spin for losing. AGAIN.

Denial of your own autopsy report ain't good reality.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

The people vote for the liars who offer them free stuff.

Your people vote for meanies who would let children starve in the streets.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Harshness Alert

No its not, its about how you guys play the game. Underhanded is the word I used. You wrap yourself in family and flag and screw people when they want opportunity. Your M.O. is separate but equal, but its not equal, just separate.

What else can explain the holding the door open for rich guys to rob us, and misdirect the posse? What else can explain ignoring the many in need for the few that make noise? What else can explain calling a robber a job creator, while destroying the only thing that makes us EQUAL... the VOTE!

Spare me, your regime is at this moment looking for a way to carve out special treatment for unions, while disregarding federal law in favor of "green" energy companies. When are you going to get that's EXACTLY what you're b*tching about, noisier and louder?

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:
Your people vote for meanies who would let children starve in the streets.

excon

Again with that lie, I feed at least 9 people every day plus what my tax dollars do. You want to take more of my money and force at least 4 of those people to fend for themselves. I feed others willingly and sacrificially, you do it by forcibly taking from one to give to another.

[talaniman]

But speech with so many hungry you can't just feed the ones you want. You have to find a way to feed 'em ALL!

I know, you are doing YOUR part to make it better, I like that in you, it's an uphill battle. I DO get that.