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    #101

    Aug 27, 2013, 09:46 AM
    Kerry is an imbicile . The ironic thing is that one of his alleged credentials was his ability to meet with bad a$$es like Assad ,and negotiate.
    Assad saw how American... oops I mean Nato airpower ,tipped the balance in the Libyan Civil War. So then why would he do the one thing that would almost force the emperor to take similar action against him ? And let's not forget that in the spring , UN. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria member Carla Del Ponte fingered the FSA for doing a chemical attack.
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    Aug 27, 2013, 09:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It does make sense if his Russian protectors have promised more support. But my understanding so far is they can trace the delivery system back to government armaments. Maybe his own officers are framing him.
    No one has had access to the area ,so how did they "trace " it back to Syrian armaments ?
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    Aug 27, 2013, 10:32 AM
    We don't know everything they know, nor do reporters. But being denied access by the government forces to affected areas is compelling

    NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: Nerve Gas Attack in Syria? - Bing Videos
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    Aug 27, 2013, 10:34 AM
    Max Fisher , writing in the Washington Compost ,says we don't have to worry about the emperor getting us deeply involved in the Syrian civil war. According to Fisher ,
    Every signal so far suggests the United States is planning something very limited, most likely a series of finite cruise missile strikes against Syrian government infrastructure, perhaps some aircraft strikes, as well. One criticism you will hear over and over is that this sort of response is unlikely to change the course of the war in Syria, which President Bashar al-Assad appears to be slowly winning. And that's correct. But it also misses the point.


    If the Obama administration does go through with these strikes, then its goal, as both Kerry and White House press secretary Jay Carney made clear, is not to shape the course of the war or force out Assad. Its goal is to punish the Assad regime for using chemical weapons, both as a deterrent against using then again and as a warning to any future military leaders that they'd better not use them, either.
    Obama wants to punish Assad, not win the Syrian civil war
    So in other words we will fire missiles into Syria , with no other aim than to send a message to Assad ,potentially killing many of the civilians we are claiming to protect in the process ;possibly more than were killed in the cw attack. And JF Kerry Kerry calls the Syrian the use of the cw a "moral obscenity" ? Dude !
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    Aug 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
    What if our military targets his military infrastructure and obliterates his capabilities? The pundits have no credibility, or responsibility here, just the president. You may not be a fan, many or not but at some point we still have to let him be president despite the noise from the peanut gallery.

    I think he will ignore the pundit any way, and well he should on this one.
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    Aug 27, 2013, 11:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    What if our military targets his military infrastructure and obliterates his capabilities? The pundits have no credibility, or responsibility here, just the president. You may not be a fan, many or not but at some point we still have to let him be president despite the noise from the peanut gallery.

    I think he will ignore the pundit any way, and well he should on this one.
    With what ? Long range tomahawks and bombers ? Ok it's possible that we turn the tide in the civil war and hand jihadistan a victory . Then what ? What Russian commitment were you talking about ? I though you said Assad became emboldened because of their implied backing .

    As I've said many times ;no one will be happier than I if Assad is reduced to pink mist . But when we had a chance to make a difference ;we chose to give our support to AQ jihadists instead of legit Syrian rebels .
    Now I see no vested US interest in this conflict... except to recover some credibility on the world stage for the emperor.

    And as far as ignoring... I also have no doubt he will ignore the constitutional authority of congress to declare war.
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    #107

    Aug 27, 2013, 12:19 PM
    That's the problem Tom, we have a hard time telling who is who when they all have a common foe. That doesn't mean different factions have the same agenda, both short and long term. I have no doubt that even the rebels don't always know who is behind the scene pulling the strings.

    Bet Moscow is not that knowledgeable either but back Assad. Let's not forget Iran. A bigger player than has been let on.
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    Aug 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
    Obamas overinflated ego is about to cause a LOT of trouble for everyone... and not just the USA this time.

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