[paraclete]

We haven't spoken of what is happening in Egypt and we seem to have forgotten Syria. Why is that? Are these places of no interest just because americans don't have troops on the ground. Perhaps we need another benghazi to awaken you to the potential of Al qaeda gaining a fruitfull recruiting ground. I expect that is what will happen when the Muslim Brotherhood is banned once again

[smoothy]

The more Muslim brotherhood troglodytes get killed... the better it is for Eqypt and the world.

[tomder55]

What else is there to say ? What is happening there was predictable from the day the emperor made his speech to Cairo University when he invited members of the Ikhwan to sit in the front rows.

[paraclete]

If that is so Tom I wonder why you haven't been reminding us of it. Nothing is predictable, who expects a bloodless coup, yes the violence afterwards is predictable but if everything is so predictable then there is no need for us to say anything in these threads

Smoothy you may be right on a certain level, less recruits for al qaeda but remember they think the same thing about your own people

[tomder55]

K you want a reaction ? The Ikhwan have been marking Coptics homes ,churches and businesses with crosses for the purpose of the destruction of the structures and the extermination of the Copts .32 churches were destroyed and 19 severely damaged in less than a week .They marched nuns through streets as if they were prisoners of war.

Idiots like John McLame and Goober Lindsey Graham are siding with the Brotherhood... and the emperor is pretending he isn't taking sides .
The Copts did nothing to provoke this Kristallnacht like reaction . If the Morsi faction had retained power this extermination /cleansing would be state policy... and it will be if they are returned .The western press portrays the Brotherhood as the victims . Like in 1938 ,the press is largely mum about this atrocity .

[paraclete]

What the copts did was side with the army in the coup and the muslim will retaliate it is their nature. Our government is about to change immigration rules to invite the copts to settle here. It would certainly be better than muslim immigrants. I have though for a long time we should allow the oppressed Christian minorities of Iraq, Syria and other Muslim nations to settle here

[tomder55]

what the copts did was side with the army in the coup and the muslim will retaliate it is their nature.

Like I said "If the Morsi faction had retained power this extermination /cleansing would be state policy ". What choice do the Copts have in Egypt ?
When Muslims were the target of such cleansing in Bosnia ,the western world went to war in their defense.

[paraclete]

Well they obviously have good lobbiests to get your military off its backside but then they don't need much excuse. You understand as I do that money talks and so does oil and unfortunately the muslims are sitting on most of the oil. No one would care if that wasn't so. The world wants to ignore what the muslims do to each other, but let "Christians" raise a hand against muslims and everyone gets up tight anyway the Balkans was right in NATO's backyard and couldn't be ignored

[tomder55]

and unfortunately the muslims are sitting on most of the oil

Not quite , the US is sitting on known reserves that would make us independent if we made a policy decision to tap into it .

[paraclete]

Why use yours when you can use someoneelse's, you have heard of strategic reserves, think of it as a strategic reserve

[tomder55]

Nah ,time to tap into our resourses and stop funding jihadistan.

[smoothy]

Why use yours when you can use someoneelse's, you have heard of strategic reserves, think of it as a strategic reserve

The plan is suck theirs dry first... then they can go back to farming sand...

[paraclete]

The plan is suck theirs dry first ....then they can go back to farming sand.....

That's the idea, they use their wealth building follies, and when they are finished they will have nothing but monuments to folly

[tomder55]

It is a foolish policy if that were true . We have the means to become energy independent now .

[paraclete]

Independence for a short time, then what, and at what cost?

[tomder55]

We have know reserved for 200 years . Do you really think that petrol will be the fuel 200 years from now ?

[paraclete]

No we will have developed electric vehicles but maybe we will stop this mad whizzing around the country and use electronic communication. Whatever it all requires energy and the oil companies will drain the last drop

[tomder55]

That's what they said about whale oil. I think you Aussies should be on the cutting edge of harvesting methane hydrate and developing it as an alternative .

Electric will cars will always be a fringe industry . It requires the harvesting of rare earth metals (often mined in some of the world's perpetual conflict zones like Congo and Central America )and you still need a carbon based power plant to charge the batteries .

[paraclete]

Tom we have vast reserves of LPG but no wish to run our vehicles on "gas", we have vast reserves of coal and no wish to stop using it, we don't possess vast reserves of oil and so alternatives to the petroleum driven vehicles of today must be found. We have vast reserves of uranium and so should develop electric power and alternatives to today's battery technology

[smoothy]

Tom we have vast reserves of LPG but no wish to run our vehicles on "gas", we have vast reserves of coal and no wish to stop using it, we don't possess vast reserves of oil and so alternatives to the petroleum driven vehicles of today must be found. We have vast reserves of uranium and so should develop electric power and alternatives to todays battery technology

I think you meant to say Natural gas... LPG is liquified Petroleum Gas (known as Propane) a byproduct of oil.

Gasoline can be produced from Natural gas or coal... just not as cheaply as from crude oil.