[speechlesstx]

Hello tom:
I've never minded being in the minority. I see a bureaucratic boondoggle. I see bad management. But, I don't see a scandal.

Look. Don't get me wrong.. I HATE government, and the IRS especially.. I also don't mind seeing Obama take a fall IF he's dirty... I don't carry his water. But, in order for me to DO that, I need PROOF. I need a smoking gun. I need something other than dufus IRS employees.

Yes, the IRS guy visited the White House a bunch of times... That proves that he's been to the White House a bunch of times. I don't wanna HEAR that crap. It's STUPID crap. I don't wanna know what you THINK. I KNOW what you think.

I wanna know what the FACTS are...

excon

I'm still not tom but when the IRS ADMITS wrongdoing and APOLOGIZES for it you can damn sure bet it's worse than they let on.

[tomder55]

I see a bureaucratic boondoggle. I see bad management

... even worse if you ask me. I see a bloated government where the bureaucracy is the ruling class that makes up their own rules as they go along. I think we are better off if it turns out they took marching orders from someone connected to who is really supposed to be in charge.

But the left wants the government to have ever more expansive powers over the people . That's why they gave Obamacare enforcement powers to the most intimidating agency in the government . Well this should be just a hint of how they plan on wielding that power .

[talaniman]

Posted by tomder55;
... even worse if you ask me. I see a bloated government where the bureaucracy is the ruling class that makes up their own rules as they go along. I think we are better off if it turns out they took marching orders from someone connected to who is really supposed to be in charge.

As opposed to the rich elite who are not accountable to the electorate?

But the left wants the government to have ever more expansive powers over the people . That's why they gave Obamacare enforcement powers to the most intimidating agency in the government . Well this should be just a hint of how they plan on wielding that power.

Not expansive, more effective and not power over people but power of the people.

I doubt there can be any enforcement of the new law before 2016. Don't panic, we can iron the glitches out if you guys stop trying to repeal it before it starts, and send us back to the mercy of the capitalist free market... AKA... wealth extraction for the few.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I think we are better off if it turns out they took marching orders from someone connected to who is really supposed to be in charge.

Couple things..

I DON'T think we're better off finding out that our government is corrupt. Of course, if it IS, we are, but I'm willing to wait for PROOF.

In terms of "running" Obama care, the IRS is only going to be in charge of verifying eligibility. That might take two people and some good software. Besides that, they ain't in charge of ANYTHING.

They're looking at Sarah Palin to run the Death Panels, though. She needs some good honest work.

Excon

[Catsmine]

Hello again, tom:

Couple things..

I DON'T think we're better off finding out that our government is corrupt. Of course, if it IS, we are, but I'm willing to wait for PROOF.

In terms of "running" Obama care, the IRS is only going to be in charge of verifying eligibility. That might take two people and some good software. Besides that, they ain't in charge of ANYTHING.

They're looking at Sarah Palin to run the Death Panels, though. She needs some good honest work.

excon

I never thought I would ever hear excon sounding like Joe Arpaio.

Sheriff Joe to Hawaii: Show Us The Proof!!

Wonders will never cease

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

Couple things..

I DON'T think we're better off finding out that our government is corrupt. Of course, if it IS, we are, but I'm willing to wait for PROOF.

In terms of "running" Obama care, the IRS is only going to be in charge of verifying eligibility. That might take two people and some good software. Besides that, they ain't in charge of ANYTHING.

They're looking at Sarah Palin to run the Death Panels, though. She needs some good honest work.

excon

Mr. head in the sand, the IRS has ALREADY created 8 offices to be staffed with 2137 agents to deal with Obamacare... so far.

What could go wrong?

[tomder55]

That's correct .The rest of Obamacare will be run by the shake down artist HHS Director Sebilius.

[cdad]

that's correct .The rest of Obamacare will be run by the shake down artist HHS Director Sebilius.

And watch for riing rates as they are about to skyrocket by 2017.

Sebelius: Well, yeah actually, ObamaCare is causing insurance premiums to rise « Hot Air

[paraclete]

Those insurance companies will take any excuse eh?

[tomder55]

Claims of political targeting by the IRS are flooding into the House Ways and Means Committee now that people targeted realize they were victims of this invasion of their rights. Some recorded their conversations according to David Drucker ,Washington Examiner's Sr Congressional correspondent.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-.../form/?ID=2538
The Committee has set up a web site for those affected to share their story.
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/forms/form/?ID=2538

[tomder55]

I'm willing to wait for PROOF

If it walks and quacks like a duck it must be a duck.
I have no expectation of finding a smoking gun . The Emperor and his courtiers are too smart for that . But all the dots lead directly to the White House.
If ever the Issa Committee gets really serious about this ,they will start asking questions of Robert Bauer, general counsel for Zero's presidential campaigns, White House general counsel during his first term, and counsel to Clintoon during his Senate impeachment trial. He is also husband of Anita Dunn, White House communications director in the Emperor's first term.He is also author of "Soft Money, Hard Law: A Guide to the New Campaign Finance Law" '
The Obot's demanded the IRS criminally prosecute conservative groups with 501(c)4 tax status during his 2008 campaign .
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...inion_newsreel
Then, last year, Zero's re-election campaign targeted private citizens who had donated to Romney groups ,and of course it has been documented that donors the Romney's campaign were aggressively audited .
The people directing this did not have to have direct marching orders from the Emperor to know what was expected of them .

[paraclete]

All ducks aside Tom it seems BO just can't get his ducks in a row, could be he is a dead duck as well as being a lame duck

[Catsmine]

all ducks aside Tom it seems BO just can't get his ducks in a row, could be he is a dead duck as well as being a lame duck

It took you 24 hours to hunt down a duck pun that lame? Don't quit your day job.

[paraclete]

It took you 24 hours to hunt down a duck pun that lame? Don't quit your day job.

All my own work but I didn't try hard after all it was so obvious, quack, quack! Duck the only animal who has learned to say his own name, quack quack!

Got to go now and do some real work

[speechlesstx]

Hey, remember that Gibson guitar raid, where they were accused of using verboten rosewood? The one where their facilities were raided by heavily armed agents, had materials and hard drives confiscated, forced to spend millions in attorney fees and paid a fine yet no wrongdoing was found - even though a competitor using the same wood was left alone?

Turns out the problem seems to be it's all which party you donate to.

IRS Tea Party Intimidation An Echo Of Raids On Gibson Guitar - Investors.com

[Catsmine]

Hey, remember that Gibson guitar raid, where they were accused of using verboten rosewood? The one where their facilities were raided by heavily armed agents, had materials and hard drives confiscated, forced to spend millions in attorney fees and paid a fine yet no wrongdoing was found - even though a competitor using the exact same wood was left alone?

Turns out the problem seems to be it's all which party you donate to.

IRS Tea Party Intimidation An Echo Of Raids On Gibson Guitar - Investors.com

And the really fun part is that Gibson hasn't gotten their hardwoods back, three years later.

[talaniman]

That's their version, here is the other one,

Gibson Guitar Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The case was settled on August 6, 2012, with Gibson admitting to violating the Lacey Act and agreeing to pay a fine of $300,000 in addition to a $50,000 community payment. Gibson also forfeited the wood seized in the raids, which was valued at roughly the same amount at the settlement.[27][28] The case raised concerns for musicians who lack documentation of vintage instruments made of traditional, non-sustainable materials.[17][29] However, officials from the Justice Department and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have stated that musicians who unknowingly possess instruments made from illegal wood would not be treated as criminals.[30]

Lacey Act of 1900 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Lacey Act protects both plants and wildlife by creating civil and criminal penalties for a wide array of violations. It prohibits trade in wildlife, fish, and plants that have been illegally taken, transported or sold. The law is still in effect, although it has been amended several times.[1]

This environmental legislation came under attack starting in 2009 when facilities of Gibson Guitar Corporation were raided and hardwoods that had been illegally harvested in Madagascar were seized. Gibson professed its innocence and accused the federal government of bullying. Gibson eventually admitted wrongdoing and settled the case in August 2012, saying it felt "compelled to settle as the costs of proving [the] case at trial would have cost millions of dollars and taken a long time to resolve."[2]

[Catsmine]

That's their version, here is the other one,

it felt "compelled to settle as the costs of proving [the] case at trial would have cost millions of dollars and taken a long time to resolve

Lacey Act of 1900 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They gave the bully their lunch money rather than keep getting beat up. Mussolini would be SO proud of this government.

[paraclete]

accused the federal government of bullying

Really a government that bullies its subjects, go figure

[talaniman]

Millions plea bargain because they can't afford a trial, or a lawyer. They holler innocent and paint themselves as victims. Are they?