[speechlesstx]

Parents owe it to their kids to bring them up with a healthy knowledge about and respect for their own bodies as well as respect for others'. That's what is missing today.

As long as a parent loves their children and is not abusive or neglectful I really don't find your point relevant. Parents have the right to raise their children their way, and when the kids get out the door and everything their parents have taught them is undermined by the school, Planned Parenthood or some other authority what do you expect?

This is exactly again what I suggested before, that liberal policies led to this mess and their answer is more liberal policies undermining more parental rights. Just ask Ex, he already said it, parents don't have rights in his book. What's missing today are those things weakened and demonized just as I said.

[NeedKarma]

that liberal policies led to this mess

What are some conservative policies that schools and families should institute to make things better?

[speechlesstx]

What are some conservative policies that schools and families should institute to make things better?

I'm not suggesting "conservative policies," I said I believe "as long as a parent loves their children and is not abusive or neglectful" they "have the right to raise their children their way." What I refer to are what used to be common sense policies that we all valued. Even Tal agrees with me that parents should have the say, do you?

[cdad]

What are some conservative policies that schools and families should institute to make things better?

I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occasion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

[speechlesstx]

I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occassion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

Absolutely, and that is one of those values both sides used to share.

[Tuttyd]

of course it is not the exclusive domain of liberalism .
Decadence is a luxurious self-indulgence. It is often used to describe a decline due to an erosion of moral, ethical, or sexual traditions.

In the United States case it can be traced to the things Speech described .If it makes you feel better ..I'll call it progressive policies.

Well Tom, there is your answer. Liberalism has made decadence accessible to the majority. You think it should be the exclusive domain of the wealthy?


Tut

[tomder55]

Well Tom, there is your answer. Liberalism has made decadence accessible to the majority. You think it should be the exclusive domain of the wealthy?


Tut

Then again ;we can always trace liberalism to the Roman Bread and Circuses .

[talaniman]

I think we all have a hand at segregating a large part of the population to poverty and a lack of viable options to raise healthy kids. Its more serious than idealogical finger pointing.

All that's does is loses yet another generation and create even more dysfunctional parents who don't have a clue.

[NeedKarma]

Its more serious than idelogical finger pointing.

For the righties on this board it is ALWAYS ideological finger pointing. It's what excites them.

[tomder55]

For the righties on this board it is ALWAYS ideological finger pointing. It's what excites them.

And trolling excites you

[NeedKarma]

and trolling excites you

Nonsense, one has to simply look at the posts here or one other threads.

[Wondergirl]

I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occassion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

This is the best post made in this thread. I bet we all agree this would be a Good Thing to happen in our world. What can we do to get the word out?

[Tuttyd]

then again ;we can always trace liberalism to the Roman Bread and Circuses .

Tom, you are the political philosopher here. Perhaps you can tell me about ancient liberalism.


Tut

[talaniman]

originally posted by califdadof3
I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occasion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

>greenie<

[excon]

Hello again,

Nahhh.. There's no war on women...

A right wing lawmaker in Iowa is trying to define abortion as murder.

"Those charged with murder, under the bill, would include a mother who takes abortion-inducing drugs or a doctor who performs an abortion. It also grants no exceptions for rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother." Right winger Rep. Rob Bacon believes abortion is murder and he wants the Iowa Code to reflect that.

Bacon and eight other Republicans introduced such a bill in the Iowa House Wednesday. It would alter the definition of a person in murder cases to “an individual human being, without regard to age of development, from the moment of conception, when a zygote is formed, until natural death.”

“It's to protect the life of the unborn,” Bacon told the Tribune. “There's still some of us that believe life begins at conception.”

Those charged with murder, under the bill, would include a mother who takes abortion-inducing drugs or a doctor who performs an abortion. It also grants no exceptions for rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother.

Excon

[tomder55]

I'm so confused. I thought the lib mantra these days was "If it only saves one life" .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

And, I thought the right wing mantra, was OBEY the Constitution. Guess we're BOTH wrong.

excon

[talaniman]

What do you expect from the party that hollers about rights, and principles, while they nullify a woman's constitutional rights to an abortion and denies then access to contraceptives and other health care.

We should change the title to this thread to a war on poor women AND their children, since they are the victims almost exclusively of republican right wing hypocrisy and lies. I mean if they can't even understand rape, then surely its too much for them to grasp that woman are people too with guaranteed constitutional rights as important as theirs.

But NOOOOOOO!! They want a female in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant and helpless and dependent, while they keep their weapons at he ready for the tyrants of the king.

That's why those loonies on the right bear watching because they are serious about taking their country back. Just think if they had ONE jobs bill for every abortion bill, we would all have two good paying jobs. That's why the right wing wants power, and that's what they do with it when they get. They eliminate every right and principle, but their own. And tell you there is NO WAR on women, and holler about their constitutional rights.

Believe them at your own peril!

[excon]

Hello tal:

**greenie**

excon

[tomder55]

We should change the title to this thread to a war on poor women AND their children

Nahhh that was Margaret Sanger's grand design when she created 'Planned Parenthood.
We can chalk the Dems up as the party of eugenics too.