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tomder55 · Feb 4, 2013, 03:01 PM

Tut I'm sure ancient Greece was decadent in their decline .

speechlesstx · Feb 4, 2013, 04:00 PM

I was reminded of this little gem from Obama the candidate in 2008...

"Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it."

Wondergirl · Feb 4, 2013, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I was reminded of this little gem from Obama the candidate in 2008...

That should be your little gem too. Now, let's do something about it.

cdad · Feb 4, 2013, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I was reminded of this little gem from Obama the candidate in 2008...

You would think the courts would be more proactive with fathers but sorely they are not. They need to stop viewing fathers as walking wallets that are idiots about being able to take care of children.

smoothy · Feb 4, 2013, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I was reminded of this little gem from Obama the candidate in 2008...

Someone in the press corpse should stand up and remind him... yea right... likes that's ever going to happen.

Tuttyd · Feb 5, 2013, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Tut I'm sure ancient Greece was decadent in their decline .

Tom, I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt that decadence was not and is not the exclusive domain of liberalism. So what are you trying to tell me?

Tut

Tuttyd · Feb 5, 2013, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I was reminded of this little gem from Obama the candidate in 2008...

So, you are saying that Obama is actively working against the family unit?

Tut

tomder55 · Feb 5, 2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Tom, I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt that decadence was not and is not the exclusive domain of liberalism. So what are you trying to tell me?

Tut

Of course it is not the exclusive domain of liberalism .
Decadence is a luxurious self-indulgence. It is often used to describe a decline due to an erosion of moral, ethical, or sexual traditions.

In the United States case it can be traced to the things Speech described .If it makes you feel better.. I'll call it progressive policies.

excon · Feb 5, 2013, 08:08 AM

Hello again, tom:

Decadence is a luxurious self-indulgence. It is often used to describe a decline due to an erosion of moral, ethical, or sexual traditions.

In the United States case it can be traced to the things Speech described. If it makes you feel better.. I'll call it progressive policies.

Your side laments the spread of freedom. You always have. You view it as a LOSS, whereas it's actually a GAIN.

I'd call it progressive policies, too.

Excon

tomder55 · Feb 5, 2013, 09:10 AM

I like the freedom to decide the size of a drink. Your freedom allows the state to give my daughter unlimited access to abortifacient in school without my permission.

speechlesstx · Feb 5, 2013, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tuttyd

So, you are saying that Obama is actively working against the family unit?

Tut

No, I wish he would say such things more often.

excon · Feb 5, 2013, 09:45 AM

Hello again, tom:

I like the freedom to decide the size of a drink. Your freedom allows the state to give my daughter unlimited access to abortifacient in school without my permission.

What? You don't know how to say give me TWO!

Yes, even your daughter has dominion over her own body.

Excon

speechlesstx · Feb 5, 2013, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

What? You don't know how to say give me TWO!

I thought you liked the freedom to choose.

Yes, even your daughter has dominion over her own body.

So in your world parents have no rights. Yep, you guys keep proving my opinion on liberal policies correct.

Wondergirl · Feb 5, 2013, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I thought you liked the freedom to choose.

He did. He chose two, one Cola and one Sprite.

So in your world parents have no rights.

What have the parents been teaching their daughter all those years? Or is she floundering all clueless and looking for love and subject to the whims of her peers and unscrupulous people?

excon · Feb 5, 2013, 09:59 AM

Hello again, Steve:

So in your world parents have no rights.

If your daughter can screw under your nose, then she can get an abortion under there too.

After she's pregnant, and you've already FAILED at being a staunch right wing father, you have NO right to inflict yourself into her life at THIS point. This is HER body, and it's HER decision what to do with it.

Excon

speechlesstx · Feb 5, 2013, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

He did. He chose two, one Cola and one Sprite.

So why can't he choose one 32oz?

What have the parents been teaching their daughter all those years? Or is she floundering all clueless and looking for love and subject to the whims of her peers and unscrupulous people?

Personally, I really don't care. That the school would give my minor child abortifacients and hormone injections without my consent is an outrage that should have everyone up in arms.

speechlesstx · Feb 5, 2013, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

If your daughter can screw under your nose, then she can get an abortion under there too.

After she's pregnant, and you've already FAILED at being a staunch right wing father, you have NO right to inflict yourself into her life at THIS point. This is HER body, and it's HER decision what to do with it.

excon

Bullsh*t, that's EXACTLY the wrong attitude.

Wondergirl · Feb 5, 2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Bullsh*t, that's EXACTLY the wrong attitude.

Parents owe it to their kids to bring them up with a healthy knowledge about and respect for their own bodies as well as respect for others'. That's what is missing today.

smoothy · Feb 5, 2013, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Parents owe it to their kids to bring them up with a healthy knowledge about and respect for their own bodies as well as respect for others'. That's what is missing today.

And the problem is the left feels fine giving birth control and abortions to kids without their parents permission... but let someone in the class hold a paryer and they get their panties in a knot.

tomder55 · Feb 5, 2013, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Parents owe it to their kids to bring them up with a healthy knowledge about and respect for their own bodies as well as respect for others'. That's what is missing today.

What's missing is the support the community gave those parents. Now the community undermines the parents ,and ,the schools the government says to the kids... "it's ok to screw around" .