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    Jan 15, 2013, 01:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Hi Tom what is the point of a link that leads nowhere?
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    Jan 15, 2013, 01:42 PM
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    and your left wing Democrat apologist argument sounds more absurd . Subprime mortgages were imposed on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and all the other mortgage lenders in order to create more “fairness” and allow everyone to have “the right” to own a home whether they could actually afford to do so or not. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were “Government Sponsored Enterprises,”(GSEs) .Fannie and Freddie began bundling together thousands of riskier and ever riskier mortgages into giant mortgage backed securities to advance Democrat policies, large investment houses continued to gobble them up. After all, this was an arm of the United States Government .... and the United States Government ALWAYS pays its debts.
    If this were so how come the US government didn't have all the liability, but no, these securities were marketted around the world as prime investments so that the financial crisis experienced by the US became global when their bubble burst. Tom, even my local city council as caught in it losing millions, why on Earth would they be investing in the US mortgage market if a bunch of shonks hadn't sold them a bill of goods with an AAA rating.
    Did the US government pay that debt?
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    #63

    Jan 15, 2013, 02:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Hi Tom what is the point of a link that leads nowhere?
    Ask Wikipedia.

    Section 8 (housing)
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    Jan 15, 2013, 04:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Ask Wikipedia.

    Section 8 (housing)
    Rental assistance is not public housing
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    #65

    Jan 15, 2013, 04:47 PM
    Oh you want those old failed projects of the 1960s .I get it .
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    #66

    Jan 15, 2013, 05:31 PM
    Just curious where did all that money everybody lost go?
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    Jan 15, 2013, 06:04 PM
    I know when I lost money on the deal. When the government decided to bail out their favorite banks.
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    Jan 15, 2013, 07:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Just curious where did all that money everybody lost go?
    It went into the pockets of the shonks
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    #69

    Jan 16, 2013, 08:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I know when I lost money on the deal. When the government decided to bail out their favorite banks.
    My bail out would have been at 15%, compounded daily, but then Europe and the rest of the world would have fallen off the earth. But then jailing CEO's, and bankers along with the ratings agencies would have been a national holiday.
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    Jan 16, 2013, 08:13 AM
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    My bail out would have been at 15%, compounded daily, but then Europe and the rest of the world would have fallen off the earth. But then jailing CEO's, and bankers along with the ratings agencies would have been a national holiday.
    If there was malfeasance or fraud then there should be legal action taken . I'm not the one who thinks the banks are too big to fail and need protection.
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    Jan 16, 2013, 08:22 AM
    We could at least search them thoroughly first make sure we get the loot they stole back before we jail 'em.
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    Jan 16, 2013, 02:22 PM
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    if there was malfeasance or fraud then there should be legal action taken . I'm not the one who thinks the banks are too big to fail and need protection.
    What planet do you live on? Prosecution only happens when they can compile a clear case and when a deal isn't done, some civil class action has been successful in recovering damages so there must have been evidence of "malfeasance or fraud", but did they contravene the criminal code, it all passed through too many hands
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    #73

    Jan 16, 2013, 02:36 PM
    I am speaking the way it should be not the system the statist have devised .
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    Jan 16, 2013, 02:46 PM
    I don't accept that Tom, I think you were expressing the niaive view that justice will be done
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    Jan 16, 2013, 04:45 PM
    Believe what you will
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    #76

    Jan 16, 2013, 05:17 PM
    The money game is rigged and manipulated by capitalists, for capitalists.
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    Jan 16, 2013, 06:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The money game is rigged and manipulated by capitalists, for capitalists.
    Well obviously they are not going to do it for socialists

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