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    #201

    Oct 2, 2012, 01:30 PM
    No he's doing the right thing and he's unravelling the Obama lies thread by thread.
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    Oct 9, 2012, 10:56 AM
    And yet Obama continues to lie. At a fundraiser last night he he claimed Al Qaeda was "on its heels" - a month after Al Qaeda attacked the Benghazi embassy and spontaneously killed our ambassador. In fact AQ attacked at least 4 of our embassies in September.

    CBS News Foreign Correspondent Lara Logan, a victim of sexual assault in the Arab Spring, takes issue with the lie...

    Eleven years later, “they” still hate us, now more than ever, Logan told the crowd. The Taliban and al-Qaida have not been vanquished, she added. They’re coming back.

    “I chose this subject because, one, I can’t stand, that there is a major lie being propagated . . .” Logan declared in her native South African accent.

    The lie is that America’s military might has tamed the Taliban.

    There is this narrative coming out of Washington for the last two years,” Logan said. It is driven in part by “Taliban apologists,” who claim “they are just the poor moderate, gentler, kinder Taliban,” she added sarcastically. “It’s such nonsense!”

    Logan stepped way out of the “objective,” journalistic role. The audience was riveted as she told of plowing through reams of documents, and interviewing John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan; Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and a Taliban commander trained by al-Qaida. The Taliban and al-Qaida are teaming up and recruiting new terrorists to do us deadly harm, she reports.

    She made a passionate case that our government is downplaying the strength of our enemies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as a rationale of getting us out of the longest war. We have been lulled into believing that the perils are in the past: “You’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight. In your arrogance, you think you write the script.”
    All Obama needs now is the Bush "Mission Accomplished" banner to tote with him everywhere.
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    #203

    Oct 9, 2012, 11:36 AM
    Agreed. American foreign policy will continuously create more terrorists.
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    Oct 9, 2012, 11:53 AM
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    Agreed. American foreign policy will continuously create more terrorists.
    Like advocating for women's rights? That sure does irritate the Islamists.

    Taliban gunmen shoot 14-year-old girl activist
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    #205

    Oct 9, 2012, 12:12 PM
    Yes that's exactly what I was referring to. (oh boy... some people... )
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    Oct 9, 2012, 01:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Yes that's exactly what I was referring to. (oh boy...some people...)
    What, Muslim girls should be shot instead of going to school?
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    Oct 9, 2012, 01:33 PM
    And with Romney you are going to do more of it, working to eliminate the enemy with failed techniques. The best thing the US has done is stay out of Syria, let the arabs work it out for themselves, there are enough helpers standing on the sidelines without the US, enough middle powers willing to test their arms without the US. You don't need a proxy fight between the US and Iran in Syria
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    Oct 9, 2012, 01:38 PM
    All due respect to Miss Logan, but she and the right wing wouldn't know the difference between the Taliban, Al Quaida, an Afghan, a Somali, Tunisian or Egyptian. That's why its best to stay out of the internal affairs of nations and whatever civil wars they are engaged in.

    What's BS is thinking you know what's best for them. They obviously don't agree. Guess we didn't learn from the Shah of Iran and trying to be a colonial master. Or Britain and the Chinese (Africa, Middle East), just to name a few. Concentrate just on the rock throwers and let the business men pay for their own army.

    Surprised no one has ever connected the dots from the bad name of America to the dealings of BIG business exploits abroad. They can't tell the guys with bombs from the guys with suits they work for and protect.
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    Oct 9, 2012, 01:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    All due respect to Miss Logan, but she and the right wing wouldn't know the difference between the Taliban, Al Quaida, an Afghan, a Somali, Tunisian or Egyptian. That's why its best to stay out of the internal affairs of nations and whatever civil wars they are engaged in.

    What's BS is thinking you know what's best for them
    So you're OK with shooting a 14 year old girl because she wants an education? Sorry dude, but I can recognize terrorism and oppression and I'm not going to appease or excuse it.

    FYI, Al-Qaida making comeback in Iraq, officials say

    BAGHDAD (AP) — Al-Qaida is rebuilding in Iraq and has set up training camps for insurgents in the nation's western deserts as the extremist group seizes on regional instability and government security failures to regain strength, officials say.

    Iraq has seen a jump in al-Qaida attacks over the last 10 weeks, and officials believe most of the fighters are former prisoners who have either escaped from jail or were released by Iraqi authorities for lack of evidence after the U.S. military withdrawal last December. Many are said to be Saudi or from Sunni-dominated Gulf states.

    During the war and its aftermath, U.S. forces, joined by allied Sunni groups and later by Iraqi counterterror forces, managed to beat back al-Qaida's Iraqi branch.

    But now, Iraqi and U.S. officials say, the insurgent group has more than doubled in numbers from a year ago — from about 1,000 to 2,500 fighters. And it is carrying out an average of 140 attacks each week across Iraq, up from 75 attacks each week earlier this year, according to Pentagon data.
    Yep, got 'em on their heels all right Mr. President. Darn shame the news just won't cooperate with his lies lately.

    White House Scientists Struggle to Contain Outbreak of Scrutonium
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    Oct 9, 2012, 02:08 PM
    Then you should go over there and do something yourself and not send my kids to do it for you (YES I have kids over there!! ). Further and more to the point, its up to them to govern there own country and if the people are so terrified of what they are being oppressed by, then its them that should change it, however outrageous, immoral,or dangerous it appears to others.

    I applaud your compassion and will agree it's a travesty what goes on in other countries, but sending the army in, uninvited, to stop what goes on in other countries has seldom works. It causes a lot more harm than good.
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    Oct 9, 2012, 02:17 PM
    This girl was a celebrity in her own land and a vocal enemy of the Taliban, this wasn't just a shooting of a child but a political act carried out against an enemy, no different to the assassination of Bhutto..

    To consider interferring is nonsense and shows an immature mentality. Emotional claptrap. There is a bigger issue in Pakistan than female education, to which there are no barriers, and it has to do with the assassinations carried out every other day by the US. Let those who call for the stopping of acts such as the attack on this girl also call for the stopping of drone attacks. It is education, not arms, that will eventually win in Pakistan
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    #212

    Oct 9, 2012, 02:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Then you should go over there and do something yourself and not send my kids to do it for you (YES I have kids over there!!!!!!!!!). Further and more to the point, its up to them to govern there own country and if the people are so terrified of what they are being oppressed by, then its them that should change it, however outrageous, immoral,or dangerous it appears to others.

    I applaud your compassion and will agree its a travesty what goes on in other countries, but sending the army in, uninvited, to stop what goes on in other countries has seldom works. It causes a lot more harm than good.
    I didn't send your kids. I would assume they volunteered.
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    #213

    Oct 9, 2012, 02:33 PM
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    I didn't send your kids. I would assume they volunteered.
    Yes they did, and have served admirably, but Bin Laden is dead, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

    Time to come home!
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    Oct 9, 2012, 03:51 PM
    The best thing the US has done is stay out of Syria, let the arabs work it out for themselves
    ?? You really think that is the Obama Doctrine ? Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?
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    Oct 9, 2012, 04:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?
    Hello again, tom:

    I don't think he WAS a target.. If so, they're slacking off.. He was killed by smoke inhalation... I don't think that's the way Alquaida does their hits..

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    Oct 9, 2012, 05:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    ????? You really think that is the Obama Doctrine ? Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?
    You still don't know why he was a target? He was a target because he was helping the enemies of Al Qaeda, the enemies of Islamic fundamentalism and he was a traget because of inadequate security

    Seriously who cares what Obama doctrine is or Romney doctrine for that matter. Stay out of other peoples countries and that isn't just confined to the middle east. Stay out of mine.
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    Oct 10, 2012, 06:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    I don't think he WAS a target.. If so, they're slacking off.. He was killed by smoke inhalation... I don't think that's the way Alquaida does their hits..

    excon
    Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List
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    #218

    Oct 10, 2012, 06:33 AM
    That article showed no proof whatsoever - did you read it and the source it links to?
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    Oct 10, 2012, 06:46 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    I don't like Al Quaida... But, I don't underestimate them. They don't KILL a target by setting fire to a building and HOPE he breathes too much smoke to continue living...

    That AIN'T how terrorism operates... They have GUNS. They have rocket propelled GRENADES. They have IED'S. They don't CARE how many people they kill as collateral damage...

    Nahhh, you'll NEVER convince me he was a target.

    excon
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    Oct 10, 2012, 07:47 AM
    CNN, who got into the Benghazi compound 3 days after the attack and long before the FBI, was the source as reported in the article.

    American intelligence officials insist that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was not pre-planned, but a new CNN report says that Ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed concerns about the safety of the mission in the months before his death. According to "a source familiar with his thinking," Stevens was worried about the growing threat of al-Qaeda and other extremists in Libya and even mentioned that he was on a terrorist "hit list."
    Their source? His journal, recovered from the compound. Any questions?

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