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    #61

    Aug 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD,
    Let the people involved do that - stay out of their lives!
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    Aug 21, 2012, 06:16 PM
    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD,
    What about the children of rape and incest victims?
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    #63

    Aug 22, 2012, 06:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Let the people involved do that - stay out of their lives!
    Don't force your beliefs on me, not everyone believes as you do -is that so hard to understand?
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    Aug 22, 2012, 06:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    What about the children of rape and incest victims?
    What about them?
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    Aug 22, 2012, 06:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Don't force your beliefs on me, not everyone believes as you do -is that so hard to understand?
    LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work. Apparently my wanting to allow people to make their own decisions and live their own lives is equal to forcing my beliefs on them. This is why we can't take you seriously.
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    Aug 22, 2012, 06:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work. Apparently my wanting to allow people to make their own decisions and live their own lives is equal to forcing my beliefs on them. This is why we can't take you seriously.
    As usual you can't grasp the message. I have as much right to an opinion and to try and INFLUENCE others as you do. It's a public forum -is that so hard to understand? If you can't handle that then feel free to stay out of it.
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    #67

    Aug 22, 2012, 06:44 AM
    If it were just an opinion that'd be OK, but you guys want a constitutional amendment that applies to everyone in the US - that's not OK.
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    Aug 22, 2012, 06:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work.
    P.S. to the mods - fair warning, if he continues to throw out ad hominems and do nothing but provoke I will defend myself.
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    Aug 22, 2012, 06:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    If it were just an opinion that'd be ok, but you guys want a constitutional amendment that applies to everyone in the US - that's not ok.
    You don't understand our system, if the people want an amendment we get an amendment. Doesn't matter what you think.
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    Aug 22, 2012, 06:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    P.S. to the mods - fair warning, if he continues to throw out ad hominems and do nothing but provoke I will defend myself.
    Haha, you have called liberals names over the past 5 years and you're still here. Put on your big girl underwear and stop being offended every single time. Thin skin people really shouldn't be on open forums.
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    Aug 22, 2012, 07:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Haha, you have called liberals names over the past 5 years and you're still here. Put on your big girl underwear and stop being offended every single time. Thin skin people really shouldn't be on open forums.
    You know you really could add something useful to these discussions if you'd get your head out of your...
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    #72

    Aug 28, 2012, 07:00 AM
    Hello again,

    Is this the page where we post about the nuts from the other side?? If not, please excuse me...

    Have you heard about what's going on in Lubbock? Here's what their head judge said,
    “He [Obama] is going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the U.N. ” Mr. Head said on Fox 34 last week. “O.K. what's going to happen when that happens? I'm thinking worst-case scenario: civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war, maybe. And we're not talking just a few riots here and demonstrations. We're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy.”

    And if the president did send in United Nations troops, Mr. Head continued, “I don't want 'em in Lubbock County. O.K. So I'm going to stand in front of their armored personnel carriers and say, 'You're not coming in here.' And the sheriff, I've already asked him. I said, 'You going to back me?' He said, 'Yeah, I'll back you.'

    “Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there,” Mr. Head said. “I want trained, equipped, seasoned veteran officers to back me.”
    Here's what OTHER Texans are saying about what HE said,
    “I believe that we need a sheriff's militia to protect Lubbock County, and get all the sheriffs in Texas to start a militia to protect Texas,” Kim Wade Gatewood, 48, told the commissioners and Mr. Head.

    After the hearing, Mr. Gatewood, an agricultural contractor, identified himself as the counsel general of the interim government of the Republic of Texas, which he said was not active at the moment. “If secession happens,” he said, “it'll be active in a split second.”
    Frankly, I think we should just set Texas adrift...

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    #73

    Aug 28, 2012, 07:01 AM
    Ol' tingly legged Chris Matthews is upset at the GOP for "dividing the country along racial lines." Says Chris:

    "It is obvious that this is something I care passionately about: race was abused by white politicians in my lifetime, including Reagan. For someone to come on the program and deny that this is part of their process, I couldn't take that," Matthews said. "This is something I really, deeply believe in. We grew up in a country where appeals to race have been awful, terrible. This language -- we are beyond this. It had to be called out."
    Does anyone remember if Tingles called out Biden for accusing Romney and Ryan of wanting to put blacks "back in chains"?
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    #74

    Aug 28, 2012, 07:04 AM
    Not sure, maybe we could ask MagicUnderwear.
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    Aug 28, 2012, 07:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Does anyone remember if Tingles called out Biden for accusing Romney and Ryan of wanting to put blacks "back in chains"?
    Hello again, Steve:

    You guys are a bit mixed up about race.. It's possible to talk about race WITHOUT it being racist... As we discussed earlier, YOU were offended by Biden's remarks.. I don't blame you.. He was DISSING you... But, BLACK people weren't... It wasn't OFFENSIVE to them.. It WASN'T racist. It was TRUTH. It was POLITICS.

    In MY view, if the Republicans win, they WILL metaphorically, and maybe even physically, put black people "back in chains"...

    Go ahead, call me a racist.

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    #76

    Aug 28, 2012, 07:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    You guys are a bit mixed up about race.. It's possible to talk about race WITHOUT it being racist... As we discussed earlier, YOU were offended by Biden's remarks.. I don't blame you.. He was DISSING you... But, BLACK people weren't... It wasn't OFFENSIVE to them.. It WASN'T racist. It was TRUTH.
    This coming from the guy who just posted about a kook in Lubbock? Have you ever been to Lubbock? Please, set it adrift. But if you think the GOP wants to put blacks in chains, literally, economically, metaphorically or whatever, you and those blacks who believed Biden are not any more sane than the kook in Lubbock.
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    #77

    Aug 28, 2012, 08:04 AM
    So 94% of the black voters are kooky not to trust righties and republicans? Wonder why?
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    Aug 28, 2012, 08:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So 94% of the black voters are kooky not to trust righties and republicans? Wonder why?
    Ya know, that's a darn good question. Perhaps it's because your side loves to try and scare the hell out of them for no valid reason, "they gon' put y'all back in chains." But no, it's deeper than that...

    Why Do Blacks Vote Democrat?

    As a youngster someone told me that the Democrats are for the little guy. Therefore, I decided that I must be a Democrat. I was a true Democrat until I was about nine years old and I figured out that not only were the Democrats not for the little guy but they definitely were not for me, a black person. I was nine years old in 1968, this was the year that Rev. King was assassinated and Pres. Nixon was elected. It was the Democratic Party in the south that Rev. King was fighting. He fought against segregationists like Democratic Georgia Governor Lester Maddox, Alabama Governor George Wallace and Democratic Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who was the man that released dogs and used skin scorching fire hoses against blacks. I can still remember convincing my mother that Nixon was the better candidate and the Republican Party should be supported because they were for all people not just “the little” people. If I am a “little” person what is it that I need? Little people need big people to take care of them. How did I figure this out at such a very early age? I read about the Civil War and the freedom that it brought my ancestors. It's just pure common sense that the people who were your enemy one day could not be your friend the next. This is the reason I have such a hard time answering the question, why do blacks vote Democrat? It’s emotional but here is my opinion based on the facts that I have read and lived over the years.

    “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.” 1 Cor. 13:11 This verse is what I perceive to be the whole problem. Let’s take a tour back in time to the days just before the Civil War. Most blacks lived in the south and most were slaves. Slaves were given their meager portions of food and poor lodging by their masters. They were told how to talk, “Yes, Master,” what to think, “You are worth whatever I paid for you” and when and where to go. Black people were told not to think, in fact they were told they could not think for themselves because God created them for servitude. It was the northern Abolitionist who first said this was an abomination. That one man should not enslave another. They were the ones who said we needed to live out our creed that all are equal in the eyes of Almighty God.

    Once the Civil War ended the struggle for equality began. Most blacks saw the Republican Party as the party of freedom and during Reconstruction this was true. Reconstruction had to end and the Republican Party became a minority party in the south with very few white Republicans. The Democrats or the three “s” party, slavery, secession and segregation, had all the power and wielded it with an iron fist. Virtually enslaving blacks all over again.

    Blacks in the south were left alone to fight for themselves, their paternalistic Republican Party left them to build alliances of their own. This failed miserably because the last thing the racist south wanted were free blacks, they wanted slaves, free labor and power. The violence that was released upon the freedmen was unbearable and the freedmen gave up their equality to be considered lesser men. Many injustices ensued at the hands of white racist Democrats but even when the Republicans tried to help they we rebuffed by the majority, the Democrats. President Theodore Roosevelt tried to intervene through the infamous peonage trials but could not stop the incidents of involuntary servitude. Therefore, blacks felt abandoned even though all the advances of the black race was a product of the Republican Party from 1860 to 1968 they left the party in droves when the Democrats started offering social programs to take care of “the little man.” Encouraged by the likes of Jesse Jackson more blacks voted Democrat. Because of Democratic social programs more black men left the home in order to let the government send money to take care of his family. He planted his seed far and wide and when the seed was rejected because the planter would be absent, our precious babies were aborted in the millions, all federally funded by Democratic social engineering.

    Republicans kept offering a hand up and Democrats a handout. Handouts being easier they were accepted over a hand up. Even blacks that did not take handouts were glad that they were there so they wouldn't have to be responsible for their brothers and sisters. They voted and still vote to keep government handouts going because it is easier than arguing with those who won’t work or taking care of those who can’t. This is a syndrome that has affected all of our society and the Democratic Party has solidified its base of those who want government to be responsible instead of being responsible themselves. I admit that I could be wrong about some of my observations but I think they are rational and supported by history. Why do blacks vote Democrat, because there are so few responsible black men! Many blacks have been duped into a paternalistic psychological slavery where to be taken care of by the government is encouraged, freedom of thought is discouraged and to be different from the group is not tolerated. Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice and Michael Steele along with other Black Republicans are repudiated because they stand for responsibility and freedom, they are not on the Paternalistic Psychological Plantation.
    Like I said, it's not our side keeping blacks in chains, and the nation's first black president just continues keeping them on the "Paternalistic Psychological Plantation."
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    Aug 28, 2012, 08:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Like I said, it's not our side keeping blacks in chains,
    Hello again, Steve:

    I don't know.. Suppressing their vote is metaphorically keeping them in chains.. The Democrats aren't doing that. You are..

    Besides, IF what you quoted above had even a scintilla of truth about it, you'd think you'd have a minimum of 40% of the black people who believe it. Ok, maybe 25%... No?? Let's go for 10%.. Still too many?? How about ZERO %??

    Alan West doesn't count. Literally, he DOESN'T count.. Even if there are MORE Alan West's around, there isn't enough of them to measure even 1% of the black people..

    Obama enjoys their support 94% to ZERO... You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool black people into thinking the right wing represents THEIR interests...

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    Aug 28, 2012, 08:39 AM
    So he is giving a handout to get minorities access to higher education while you guys want to cut it? Is that why you guys want more tax breaks for rich guys to take overseas to invest in sweat shops instead of Americans? Is that why you don't want contraceptives for poor women?

    You say plantation thinking, or a least your writer does, but he offers no examples for his claims of helping anyone but rich white guys. Just bashing. Like you always say, its his OPINION. Even Michael Steele has said until the repubs get more diverse, they will never broaden the tent. And a few blacks in the window is NO proof of anything.

    You tried, but some examples of the efforts of repubs to help minorities get off the plantation would help me see your point.

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