[tomder55]

OK then just to make it clear. I think all subsidies,incentives, tax credits, preferences , loan guarantees distort the market . That includes givebacks to all fossil fuel ,nuclear ,biodiesal ,ethanol ,and so called other green energy sources domestic and foreign .I'd like a neutral playing field for all forms of energy .Then let the market decide .

Now that is cleared up ,the issue that states through the collective bargaining process have over committed to their public service employees and will continue to do so as long as the unions think they can pick to pockets of the taxpayers.
Even if you are for redistribution ,that can't be what you have in mind.

[tomder55]

Update .
Yesterday there was a crucial State Supreme Court election in Wisconsin. Turnout was off the charts(33.5% of voting-age adults... 1.5 million voters ) . The unions poured a small fortune into this election ,and did their best to smear the Republican candidate ,incumbent Justice David Prosser .

With 99% of the vote counted ,Prosser leads challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg by about 600 votes( 0.04% of ballots ).
This is sure to be a recount situation .

A Prosser win means Governor Walker's needed collective bargaining reforms survive a court challenge as conservative justices will retain a 4-3 majority on the high court.

[excon]

The unions poured a small fortune into this election

Hello again, tom:

You forgot the money that Karl Rove and the Koch brothers poured in too. I thought the challenger would whip the incumbent's butt, but nooooo. It's too close to call..

excon

[tomder55]

Don't know the spending breakdown .But to be fair... Both sides spent plenty ($3.7 million for an otherwise minor judicial race) .
The turn out rivaled Presidential primaries .

I bet the Dems bring the Franken recount team in to the state.

[excon]

I bet the Dems bring the Franken recount team in to the state.

Hello again, tom:

What? You ain't got your own Bush v Gore team?

excon

[tomder55]

The Bush v Gore team was the independent newspaper group that did a recount of Fla. 2000 and found that Bush won by more than the official final count.
http://articles.cnn.com/2001-04-04/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

[speechlesstx]

Prosser's lead has grown to 835. Still headed for a recount but that's a better cushion.

[excon]

The Bush v Gore team was the independent newspaper group that did a recount of Fla. 2000 and found that Bush won by more than the official final count.

Hello again, tom:

I'm not going to look, but I'll bet I can find an article saying that, after the votes were counted, Franken won. But, that was then, and this is now. As you say, it's up to the lawyers.

excon

[tomder55]

Yeah Franken won when counters in Democratic counties kept 'finding ' new previously uncounted votes for Franken .The percentage of discovered ballots that favored Franken defied statistical probability.sorta the magic ballot theory .

But you are right about this... Franken's lawyers wanted it more than Coleman's. The real tragedy of the 2000 Presidential election was any court's involvement in a political process. We are to be plagued with many more contests decided in the courts instead of the ballot box.

Interesting thought . Which court decides a judicial election ?

[tomder55]

Latest reports is that Kloppenburg now has a narrow lead with a few more districts to count.

Besides private money funding this campaign through issue ads , the taxpayers of Wisconsin ,through a law passed in 2009 by the Dem legislature ,had to post up $400,000 to each campaign . This law was designed to publicly finance judicial races if they agreed to largely forego private fundraising.
See how that worked out ? Oh they didn't take any money for their campaigns all right. But that didn't prevent millions of $$$ in campaigning from outside (that pesky 1st Amendment ).

This is likely to go to a recount. These rules are waived for a recount ,and both candidates can fund raise to their hearts content. There are no limits either in the amt they raise ,and there are no restrictions on individual contributions.

[tomder55]

Game changer . A whole Republican leaning town did not have their results reported to the press yesterday.
When we leftyesterday there was a deadlock in the State Supreme Court election between Republican incumbent Justice David Prosser ,rival of Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson, and challenger and crony of Abrahamson , JoAnne Kloppenburg

Kloppenburg hung onto a razor thin lead in the race ,almost guaranteeing weeks of a costly recount . But today is another day.

Today county clerks around Wisconsin reviewed the votes in the race and several thousand votes that favor Prosser went uncounted yesterday. This is breaking news but what I hear is that it is a game decider . A whole township (Brookfield) was not counted and as many as 7500 votes were not counted in this Republican city.

Game-Changer In Wisconsin - Hotline On Call

A press conference was just held ,and according to the Milwaulkee Sentinel ,Prosser did indeed pick up 7,582 votes.
Prosser picks up 7,582 votes in Waukesha County - JSOnline

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Newly found, huh? Right... Who found 'em. The Koch brothers? Okee, doakee.

excon

[smoothy]

Game changer . A whole Republican leaning town did not have their results reported to the press yesterday.
When we leftyesterday there was a deadlock in the State Supreme Court election between Republican incumbent Justice David Prosser ,rival of Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson, ,and challenger and crony of Abrahamson , JoAnne Kloppenburg

Kloppenburg hung onto a razor thin lead in the race ,almost guaranteeing weeks of a costly recount . But today is another day.

Today county clerks around Wisconsin reviewed the votes in the race and several thousand votes that favor Prosser went uncounted yesterday. This is breaking news but what I hear is that it is a game decider . A whole township (Brookfield) was not counted and as many as 7500 votes were not counted in this Republican city.

Game-Changer In Wisconsin - Hotline On Call

A press conference was just held ,and according to the Milwaulkee Sentinel ,Prosser did indeed pick up 7,582 votes.
Prosser picks up 7,582 votes in Waukesha County - JSOnline

That's standard operating procedure in the DNC "How to steal an election" handbook. It comes before "Ballot stuffing if you are short votes".

[paraclete]

Interesting electoral system

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

Newly found, huh? Right... Who found 'em. The Koch brothers? Okee, doakee.

Excon

I'm sure that will be the Dem spin.
The count at this time is unofficial and given the nature of the error almost certainly to be challenged. The county clerk in question ,Kathy Nickolaus,"found " 14,315 votes . Of those, Justice David Prosser had an advantage of 7,582 .These votes are in fact recorded votes ,but she had miscounted due to some kind of computer error.

Nickolaus explained that she had failed to save data in her computer and consequently report votes cast in the city of Brookfield. Smaller discrepancies turned up in two other communities.

Nation & World | Clerk's error turns Wisconsin high-court race around | Seattle Times Newspaper
The vote count was also confirmed by the Democrat representative of the Board of Canvassers ,so it appears to be a legitimate mistake by someone who probably should be doing something else for a living .

At the news conference with Nickolaus, Ramona Kitzinger, the Democrat on the Waukesha County Board of Canvassers, said: "We went over everything and made sure all the numbers jibed up and they did."

As a Democrat, she said, "I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true."

These results will most likely stand .All this really means is that the Dems will shift focus on the recall efforts.

[tomder55]

That's standard operating procedure in the DNC "How to steal an election" handbook. It comes before "Ballot stuffing if you are short votes".

Not really . The Dem playbook has them found in the trunk of someone's car.
The truth is that there was a report about missing returns before they were found. So this appears to be a legitimate mistake by Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus .
The smears have already started . Her life is going to be hell for a while.

[speechlesstx]

This was as they say, "human error." It happens. Unfortunately for Democrats it was not in their favor as they readily admit (jump to about 13:30 for the big moment).

[excon]

This was as they say, "human error."

Hello again, Steve:

Human error, huh?? I understand - Republicans wouldn't cheat. Oh, yeah - the county clerks office is a PARTISAN office. I'll bet you can GUESS which party Kathy Nickolaus belongs to.

Didja know that an audit of Nickolaus’ handling of the 2010 election found that she needed to take steps to improve security and backup procedures, like stop sharing passwords. The audit was requested after the county’s director of administration said Nickolaus had been uncooperative with attempts to have county experts review her systems and confirm backups were in place.

Didja know that Nickolaus was given immunity from prosecution in a 2002 criminal investigation into illegal activity by members of the assembly Republican Caucus. She worked for 13 years as a data analyst and computer specialist for the caucus.

Didhja know that she resigned from her state job in 2002 just before launching her county clerk campaign.

Curiouser and curiouser...

excon

[tomder55]

At the news conference with Nickolaus, Ramona Kitzinger, the Democrat on the Waukesha County Board of Canvassers, said: "We went over everything and made sure all the numbers jibed up and they did."

As a Democrat, she said, "I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...sconsin08.html

[smoothy]

At least there weren't precincts that had more votes than it had legal residents... much less legal registered voters... Unlike Minnesota's vote fraud the Democrats committed and used their liberal justice buddies to blow off to get Al Franken into office.