[tomder55]

Ex ,he crossed that line . This isn't about transparency ;it isn't about exposing wrong doing .It's about malice . He doesn't care who he hurts or endangers . It is strictly cyber-warfare targeting the United States . He needs to be treated as the enemy combatant he is.

[excon]

Ex ,he crossed that line .

Hello again, tom:

No he didn't. This is an old discussion between us.. I'm quick to find that someone acted Constitutionally. You're quick to find they didn't. I believe that freedom HAS no line, otherwise it wouldn't be freedom. You? Not so much.

excon

[speechlesstx]

I don't think Russia is going to be as accommodating to Assange as the White House has been.

Moscow's Bid to Blow Up WikiLeaks

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

No he didn't. This is an old discussion between us.. I'm quick to find that someone acted Constitutionally. You're quick to find they didn't. I believe that freedom HAS no line, otherwise it wouldn't be freedom. You? Not so much.

excon

Well let's put it this way... if the goal is open government and open internet then Assange's anarchy will have just the opposite effect... not just in the US ,but world wide.

Or to make it personal... why can't he publish your account numbers and passwords ,bank acconts ,tax records, and have constitutional protection to do so ? All he needs is some clown in those intitutions to collect the info for him... obviously he is not an accessory to the violation in your eyes .

Now the damage is obvious... how can diplomats of nations communicate candidly and trust that their conversations will not end up on this dweebs web site ? This has done incalculable damage to international relations .

[excon]

This has done incalculable damage to international relations .

Hello again, tom:

What do Senator Joe Lieberman and the Chinese communists have in common? They BOTH want to tell you what you can and can't read... Now, I don't know about you, but making us MORE like commie tyrants is doing some "incalculable" damage too.

excon

[tomder55]

Good thing they did stop hosting Wikileaks... it saves me the trouble of selling my Kindel and finding a different e-reader .

[excon]

Good thing they did stop hosting Wikileaks ...it saves me the trouble of selling my Kindel and finding a different e-reader .

Hello again, tom:

Just to be clear, you SUPPORT government censorship. Jeez, I thought you tea party folks LOVED the Constitution... Guess not, huh?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Pressuring Amazon to dump Assange is hardly a communist plot.

[excon]

Pressuring Amazon to dump Assange is hardly a communist plot.

Hello again, Steve:

Like Joe Barton apologized to BP for undue government pressure, I apologize to Amazon for the same reason. What? There's a difference??

excon

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

Just to be clear, you SUPPORT government censorship. Jeez, I thought you tea party folks LOVED the Constitution..... Guess not, huh?

excon

Where national security is concerned... yes indeed . Aren't you the one who says there are no absolutes ? Or do you prefer the anarchy that the likes of Assange brings ? I'm telling you that if your goal is open government then this is exactly the worse course of action to take. We'll be back to the days of secret satchels of correspondents that get destroyed upon reading .

[excon]

I'm telling you that if your goal is open government then this is exactly the worse course of action to take. We'll be back to the days of secret satchels of correspondants that get destroyed upon reading .

Hello again, tom:

Or, we'll be back to the days when the press actually reports what the government does. IF, our media did its job, Assange wouldn't have to. In fact, IF the media DID its job, the leak would have been greeted with a yawn...

Yet, when you look beyond the gossip and titillation, you'll see the leak DID tell us things that our media didn't - stuff I would like to have known. You? Not so much. Just where were THESE stories reported??

(1) the U.S. military formally adopted a policy of turning a blind eye to systematic, pervasive torture and other abuses by Iraqi forces;

(2) the State Department threatened Germany not to criminally investigate the CIA's kidnapping of one of its citizens who turned out to be completely innocent;

(3) the State Department under Bush and Obama applied continuous pressure on the Spanish Government to suppress investigations of the CIA's torture of its citizens and the 2003 killing of a Spanish photojournalist when the U.S. military fired on the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad (see The Philadelphia Inquirer's Will Bunch today about this: "The day Barack Obama Lied to me");

(4) the British Government privately promised to shield Bush officials from embarrassment as part of its Iraq War "investigation";

(5) there were at least 15,000 people killed in Iraq that were previously uncounted;

(6) "American leaders lied, knowingly, to the American public, to American troops, and to the world" about the Iraq war as it was prosecuted, a conclusion the Post's own former Baghdad Bureau Chief wrote was proven by the WikiLeaks documents;

(7) the U.S.'s own Ambassador concluded that the July, 2009 removal of the Honduran President was illegal -- a coup -- but the State Department did not want to conclude that and thus ignored it until it was too late to matter;

(8) U.S. and British officials colluded to allow the U.S. to keep cluster bombs on British soil even though Britain had signed the treaty banning such weapons, and,

(9) Hillary Clinton's State Department ordered diplomats to collect passwords, emails, and biometric data on U.N. and other foreign officials, almost certainly in violation of the Vienna Treaty of 1961.

That's just a sampling.

THIS is what Joe Lieberman and his comrades are desperately trying to suppress, just like the COMMIES do.

excon

**Thanks to Glenn Greenwald for supplying the links and some words.

[speechlesstx]

Like Joe Barton apologized to BP for undue government pressure, I apologize to Amazon for the same reason. What? There's a difference???

Yeah, a Senator's staff making inquiries and asking companies not to host Wikileaks is a bit different than the administration pledging to keep it's “boot on the neck” of a company.

[tomder55]

I certainly don't need an anachist rapist working in collusion with the poster person for DADT publishing on a cite that also thinks it's OK to publish a pedofile's guide (information I just found out that if they don't stop immediately I will cancel my account) being the arbiter of information I need to know.

[excon]

Yeah, a Senator's staff making inquiries and asking companies not to host Wikileaks is a bit different than the administration pledging to keep it's “boot on the neck” of a company.

Hello again, Steve:

In your right wing dreams... When the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee calls, it's NOT a request...

But, these are differences without distinctions. As long BP and Amazon are operating within the LAW, you WOULD agree, would you not, that government should NOT apply pressure on them to DO something they don't want to do??

Or, are you going to be one way about it?

excon

[tomder55]

But, these are differences without distinctions. As long BP and Amazon are operating within the LAW, you WOULD agree, would you not, that government should NOT apply pressure on them to DO something they don't want to do??

Would've loved to see how long a news or any other company would've survived had they colluded with the Germans in WWII .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Wow. Sounds like you're losing the argument.. Yeah, they're faggots and anarchists, and Amazon is tantamount to a Nazi collaborator. Dude!

excon

[speechlesstx]

As long BP and Amazon are operating within the LAW, you WOULD agree, would you not, that government should NOT apply pressure on them to DO something they don't want to do???

Or, are you gonna be one way about it?

You mean like threatening insurance companies? Dragging industry heads to Waxman to explain the reports they're required to file? Calling on citizens to snitch on their neighbors for speaking their minds?

I'd like to know what Lieberman's office said to them, but I can certainly imagine a sudden drop in business right at Christmas... I shop there regularly and I don't have to you know.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

Wow. Sounds like you're losing the argument.. Yeah, they're faggots and anarchists, and Amazon is tantamount to a Nazi collaborator. Dude!

excon

Equating a Senior Senator's inquiries into the association between Wikileaks and Amazon with ChiCom oppression ? Dude !

Assange's aim is clear. Putin has no real concerns because the only reason he is involved at all is because he is collateral damage. I defy Assange to attempt a doc theft from the Kremlin !

Assange wants to make it risky business to diplomatically deal with the US .With treasonous activity by pfc Mattingly and possibly other traitors in the government bureaucracy... along with useful idiots like the Slimes and Amazon ,he is succeeding in his 'lawfare' .

He could not succeed against a repressive regime because ,as Steve pointed out , he'd likely be served a polonium cocktail .

[excon]

He could not succeed against a repressive regime because ,as Steve pointed out , he'd likely be served a polonium cocktail .

Hello again, tom:

Very true. But, instead of celebrating our FREEDOMS, you'd rather we become exactly like that. Dude!

excon

[tomder55]

Not me .I'm not a Brit... nor have I called for his assassination . I clearly said that I think he broke US law ,and he should be tried in a civilian court... letting the justice system decide his fate.