[paraclete]

speech,

Why are they not trying to convert/assassinate the chinese? Much closer and a larger population.

A number of reasons
The Chinese were never part of the Ummah
The Chinese keep their Muslim population under tight control
The Chinese have a very different mindset, it is not religion but family that is important to the Chinese
There are Muslims in China but they are minority groups

[speechlesstx]

Voying something and doing it are two different things. The US wouldn't have a problem if the jihadist simply voyed to get them.

I don't know what 'voying' is.

[tomder55]

It's a conjugation of the verb va.

[NeedKarma]

I don't know what 'voying' is.

Damn, I should have taken that typing course in CEGEP. "Vowing" is what I meant to type.

[Unknown008]

These quotations from speechless just make me mad... how can they be like this? If they refer to their god as being good, how can they be so cold blooded as to kill, kill and kill again. To me, they are more like crazy people who distort their religion to suit their purpose. From those quotes alone, I'd say that they want to rule the world, not their god, but they themselves.

Why do they need to send people that they trained? Why don't they themselves sacrifice their lives? Why do they still hide, if they have a god with them? I find no faith in there, I find only cowardice, they want other people to do the dirty work, and they claim it to be the saying of their god.

But now, I don't know their religion, their true one, and might not therefore be right about this. I just had to say that.

Period

[excon]

These quotations from speechless just make me mad... how can they be like this? I just had to say that. Period

Hello Unky:

I'm glad you DID say that.

But, consider this. There is no "they". Steve found a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us. There's 4.5 BILLION Muslims who probably don't.

If I wanted to whip up emotions in what I perceived to BE a religions war, I could find a FEW radical, mean, ugly American Christian people who HATE them, and post it here. But, most of us don't, so I won't.

Nope. I don't know how THEY can be like this. I ALSO don't know, for example, HOW a major Christian leader like Pat Robertson, could blame the earthquake in Haiti, on the Haitions themselves because, he says, they made a compact with the devil... But, HE does blame them. Nope. I don't know HOW he could be like this. But, he IS, and a LOT of Americans think he's right on.

excon

[Unknown008]

Yes, I understand Exy... I know that such people exist on both sides. The thing is... we are exposed to these muslim people (this part of the muslim people, and that's why I mentioned "their true religion") more than the other people, or people (ie media, politicians, etc) try to make them seem much less 'bad' than these particular muslims. But to be on topic...

I'm sure Firmbeliever will agree that not all muslims are like that, and I agree too. But there are extremists (or really, really mentally ill people) who ruin the image of this religion, and other believers are being hurt because of that.

[tomder55]

To me, they are more like crazy people who distort their religion to suit their purpose.

Correct. Radical jihadism is a political movement ,not a religious one.
The treaty of Westphalia established the modern state wilth defined borders system. When the Europeans became colonial powers they exported this system to the world .

But to the jihadi ,there are no state borders in the ummah ;in tha caliphate .The ummah is completely contrary to Western models.

Their war is just as much a war against their own "national leaders" as it is against the infidel. The House of Saud ;Mubarak in Egypt ,the Hashimite rule in Jordan are equally threatened. And it's not only that. Anyone in the borders of the ummah who do not submit to their radical interpretation are under threat.

So you see;when the charge is made that they are mad at us because we occupy their land ,in a way it is a correct charge. The whole world is the ummah . Jihad has no borders .

[Unknown008]

The whole world is the ummah . Jihad has no borders .

From what I understand, this means that even if there were no American/Canadian/Australian/etc troops in their 'country' (because there is theorically no borders), everybody on Earth is in their territory... which also means that they'll be making (don't know if it's the right verb) war anyway, as long as we do not conform to their 'religion'.

And so, we are bound to fight or contain them either way.

Curse the one who started all this.

:(

[excon]

The whole world is the ummah . Jihad has no borders .

Hello again, tom:

Sooo, Christians DON'T think the same thing? That ISN'T why they send missionary's ALL over the WORLD to convert the heathen masses?? That's NOT why they want to call this country a CHRISTIAN country??

Oh, yes it is!

excon

[Unknown008]

Hello again, tom:

Sooo, Christians DON'T think the same thing?? That ISN'T why they send missionary's ALL over the WORLD to convert the heathen masses??? That's NOT why they want to call this country a CHRISTIAN country????

Oh, yes it is!

excon

Wait, the people sent to convert the 'heathen masses' were NOT told to kill. They were sent by their own will, to teach the word. It's only up to them if they believe.

Those particular muslims here are forcing what they believe into other people, and are condemning the ones who refuse. There's a huge difference.

But then... it's taking more into religion and christianity...

[tomder55]

Christians in the 21st century do not wage war to impose their religion on anyone. Further ;I have not made a blanket statement against Islam . Reread them and you will see my comments are confined to "radical Jihadism" which I made a point to differentiate as a political movement and not a religious one.

[speechlesstx]

But, consider this. There is no "they". Steve found a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us.

Wait, wasn't the whole point of this thread you're questioning why we don't listen to "a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us?" Why yes, I believe it was. In fact, you're exact words were "I dunno why we don't listen." I was just relaying what they're saying to see if you'd listen. I guess not.

There's 4.5 BILLION Muslims who probably don't.

Agreed.

Nope. I don't know how THEY can be like this. I ALSO don't know, for example, HOW a major Christian leader like Pat Robertson, could blame the earthquake in Haiti, on the Haitions themselves...

Well, if that crackpot was threatening to "burn America down" or warning others to "either join the religion ... or we kill every last one of them" I might be more concerned.

[excon]

Wait, wasn't the whole point of this thread you're questioning why we don't listen to "a FEW radical, mean, ugly people who HATE us?"

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

You really should lay out the rules earlier. ;)

[Unknown008]

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

excon

LMAO! You just cracked me up exy, phew! :p

Now, back on topic.

[Stringer]

Hello again, Steve:

Look. It ain't fair to use what I say against me. It just ain't.

excon

Now THAT made my day Ex. :D

[speechlesstx]

Here's video of the way those ruthless, barbaric Christians go about trying to convert others... and the consequences for doing so.



The four were arrested for "disorderly conduct" and had their camera confiscated. They were pretty scary, huh?

[NeedKarma]

The christian crusaders are being trained in the US:

[excon]

Here's video of the way those ruthless, barbaric Christians go about trying to convert others...and the consequences for doing so. The four were arrested for "disorderly conduct" and had their camera confiscated. They were pretty scary, huh?

Hello again, Steve:

I agree. Cops suck!

Over the years, an oft repeated sentiment you've heard from me, is one where I suggest that if you don't look out for the rights of those you disdain, soon your own rights will be at risk. May I remind you that the Bill of Rights has NINE other Amendments besides the First?

When Bush took away your Fifth Amendment rights, I yelled about it. You told me the world is different after 9/11. When Bush took away your Fourth Amendment rights, I screamed about it. You lectured me about national security and patriotism. When he took away your Eighth Amendment rights, you told me how bad the terrorists are, and they don't give us any rights...

Now, your First Amendment rights are under attack... Who's surprised?

excon