[dwashbur]

You mean to say looks count? M definitely has a chance then!

If looks count, I'm in big trouble! :eek:

[Wondergirl]

If looks count, I'm in big trouble! :eek:

Another criterion is smarts. And one can get extra points for having an even-tempered, all-suffering spouse. Certainly you fit one of those.

[hheath541]

Actually, no. Some say the grave is the last stop for everyone. Some say there is no hell at all.

And some don't condemn other religions at all.

[hheath541]

Another criterion is smarts. And one can get extra points for having an even-tempered, all-suffering spouse. Certainly you fit one of those.

Well, darn it. Looks. Smarts. Spouse. Religion. No matter how you look at it, I'm going to hell. Better start packing shorts and tank tops.

[Wondergirl]

well, darn it. looks. smarts. spouse. religion. no matter how you look at it, i'm going to hell. better start packing shorts and tank tops.

Cat rescue is another criterion.

[dwashbur]

Cat rescue is another criterion.

For getting to heaven or hell??

[Wondergirl]

For getting to heaven or hell?????

Of course, for getting to heaven. Hheath has rescued seven cats (a pregnant mom cat who presented her with six kittens). No greater love... (Would you like to adopt a kitten or two, Dave? Their photos are on the Cats board under an Edith thread.)

[hheath541]

Comments on this post
Hope12 disagrees : The grave is not the last stop! There will be a ressurection, those who do good, to everlasting life here on earth. Ps 37: 10 -11. Those weho did bad, everlasating death.
Aurora_Bell agrees : lol balancer, Hheath wasn't even the one who said it!!

wow, I think that's the least deserved reddie I've ever gotten. Never been yelled at for something I never said, before. At least not on here.

thanks for the balancer, bella. I think this is going to be my favorite reddie ever ^_^

[Wondergirl]

The grave is not the last stop!

Hope, no one in this thread said that. I went back to read all the responses.

[Aurora_Bell]

NP, it was a well deserved balancer! ;)

[dwashbur]

Of course, for getting to heaven. Hheath has rescued seven cats (a pregnant mom cat who presented her with six kittens). No greater love.... (Would you like to adopt a kitten or two, Dave? Their photos are on the Cats board under an Edith thread.)

Too many cats already, and my daughter the veterinary tech student is bringing 4 more home for the night. And I'm partial to dogs, thank you very much ;)

[De Maria]

I was in church yesterday and the pastor preached on hell. He stated that 13% of what Jesus Christ is recorded as saying in the Gospels were concerning hell.

That sounds like a substantial amount.

He also thinks that it is politically incorrect to talk about it in our culture.

Perhaps. I am not PC.

Many preachers don't want to address the topic because people feel offended or don't like to hear about something so hopeless.

I've never seen a survey on the matter.

So, what do you think?

I think it is an important topic:
Ezekiel 3:20-22 (King James Version)

20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

22And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.

Do you think it is a real place?

I think it is a real state of being.

Do you think some people are headed there when they die?

Yes.

Matthew 7: (King James Version)

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Do you have to be a BAD person to wind up there?

Yes. You have to reject God. And that is bad.

Who do you think will go to hell?

Those who reject God and refuse to do His Will:
Matt 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Donna Mae II]

I think it is an important topic:
Ezekiel 3:20-22 (King James Version)

20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Maybe sounds like a Christian can lose his salvation.

[classyT]

I did not read any of the other answers but here goes.

Who do I think will go to hell? Can not say, it is not my place or my judgment to make.

Now the definitions of hell has different meanings for different people.

Even the word hell itself the meaning has changed over many years.

The original prayer that I used to pray in church. The part that said Jesus died, descended into the dead and rose in three days. That is today's version. Years ago it was worded Jesus descended into hell and rose in three days. Hell could be merely meaning death, or the grave...

As well. Hell another definition is that people create there own hell and there own separation from God. After there death. they recreate and relive their worst nightmare.

There is books that are included in the Catholic version of the bible that are not excepted by all denominations which talk about the seven days after death for the righteous and seven days of the evil and what they see and the steps they take. It is pretty cool to read and makes sense.

Joe,

See? Told you I'd get back to you. :)

I believe everything in the bible. I don't WANT hell to be a real place and I REALLY don't want anyone I know or don't know to go there. But it isn't about what I want...

Jesus made it pretty clear it is a literal place. It isn't a state of mind, it isn't just for a few days or until someone comes to their senses and repents. It isn't the judgement of God that makes a man repent anyway... if you read in revelation it states that men will be covered in boils, are stung with something that looks like a locust and the pain lasts months. They are going to beg to die and NOT be able to... but it states instead of repenting they blasphemed God.

I, like you, will not stand in judgement of anyone as far as saying if they are going to hell. Having said THAT, Jesus Christ is either exactly who he said he was or he was a liar, there just is no in between. He said HE was the ONLY way to the Father... not A way. He spoke of hell, he spoke of the torment, weeping, outer darkness,misery.. ect. And he never said anyone EVER got a second chance after they died. In fact, he taught the opposite of that thought. Take a look at the story of the rich man and the beggar that the Lord himself told.

So while it may make sense to reason and rationalize that hell couldn't possilbly be for all eternity... that is what the Bible says and I believe it. I don't LIKE it. But I believe it.

Incidentally, if I wasn't a Christian, I wouldn't even believe that Jesus was a good man or a prophet. I wouldn't. He made some pretty bold claims about himself, he told some radical stories, he made a lot of people uncomfortable. The Lord Jesus Christ himself is the one who stated he was THE way and therefore he wasn't very "tolerant" of other faiths either. So, If I didn't believe he IS God, HE IS the way, I'd want nothing to do with him or his teachings.

I've heard it said Jesus was either a liar, lunitic, or Lord. As for ME, HE is LORD... and I believe what he taught concerning hell. It is a real place of eternal torment and he warned us about it. He also provided a way OUT.

[JoeCanada76]

Now can you reply to me about the descriptions of hell and heaven according to Esdras visions??

Which I think line up completely to what the bible has taught all along.

It is part of my bible. Please check it out.

[classyT]

Joe,

Geesh. Did I mess up again? I THOUGHT you posted more.But I didn't find it. I will go back and read it. I have to go to a baseball gamej( my son is pitching) so I will check it out tomorrow.

[dwashbur]

The Hellfire doctorine is an ancient Babylonian and Assyrian belief carried down through generations by false teachings of many reliogions to control their members.

Fire is only one of the descriptions; we also see darkness, chains, weeping, I forget what else at the moment. As so often happens in the Bible, we're trying to describe the indescribable. The single most important factor about hell is the absence of God. The various descriptions also suggest that the person there will be totally alone, so Mark Twain's comment that he would prefer "heaven for climate, hell for company" is a really bad idea.

[dwashbur]

Joe,

Geesh. Did I mess up again? I THOUGHT you posted more.But I didn't find it. I will go back and read it. I have to go to a baseball gamej( my son is pitching) so i will check it out tomorrow.

Let me see if this works:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...ml#post2359408

[friend4u178]

Dave

Are you trying to pinpoint a particular post??

If so just click on the Post number , then copy and paste the URL.

[dwashbur]

Dave

Are you trying to pinpoint a particular post???

If so just click on the Post number , then copy and paste the URL.

That's what I did, and from what I can see it worked. I figured since I had a little extra time I'd do some leg work for ClassyT.