[cdad]

With statistics like those how come the US hasn't declared war on illegal aliens, it took far less to declare war on terrorists in foriegn places.

Ah, I understand, you don't want urban warfare in the US but from these statistics you have it already

Who says it can't happen here?

Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov. elections (Update)

[paraclete]

Well, what I meant, while most of ours are central and south American due to proximity...yours are likely from the Asian region for the same reason. But isn't limited to any single group exclusively. We have quite a few illegal Asians...and Indians as well as Russians etc. Just Latinos make up the major portion here. And Democrats feel the Latinos should have specoial status above any and every other ethnic group that wishes to come here.

Funny that nobody else thinks they should be exempt from an ID check when stopped by Police....or that checks for outstanding Warrants are run ....But Latinos are special...they should never be stopped, never be asked for ID...never have checks run on them....JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE LATINO. Its only ok to pick on the rest of us for all of that.

Our criminal gangs are mainly lebanese, refos we were stupid enough to take pity on, but Indians are becoming a problem, we got a lot of those from Fiji and they think they are special. What I don't like about these groups is they tend to take over neighbourhoods

[smoothy]

our criminal gangs are mainly lebanese, refos we were stupid enough to take pity on, but Indians are becoming a problem, we got a lot of those from Fiji and they think they are special. What I don't like about these groups is they tend to take over neighbourhoods

Same things happen here, just different ethnic groups. They don't try to assimilate at all, they feel they are ENTITLED to do what they want, when they want... they feel any attempt to hold them to the standards everyone else has to live with is a personal attack on them.. and cry rascism.

And expecting them to learn our language is somehow violating THEIR rights.


HELLO... if you move to France for example.. expect to learn French... move to Germany, expect to learn German... etc.

Hell, if I moved to Australia... I'd expect to have to learn the intricacies of your Australian Dialect. I wouldn't expect everyone there to have to learn the American Dialect to suit me. And I am sure you know the many differences between our dialect and yours... or even Queens English which would be far less different to you.

Take a look at what we each call car parts for example... and how different they are.

[excon]

Hello:

Some of us have presented evidence that illegals DON'T commit crimes beyond their proportion of the populace. Others have presented polar opposite data.

You, the reader, have a CHOICE of which position you believe. It's not surprising to me which one you have chosen, but CHOOSE you did.

excon

[smoothy]

Nobody here has presented ANY evidence of that Illegals do NOT commit disporportionally HIGH crimes of every tiype. when all the proof they DO exists in every courthouse and every prison in the nation.

WHen in fact Every single illegal IS a criminal. Illegals have a 100% crime rate... of AT LEAST one crime.. most commit many more.

Being in this country without legal papers IS a crime in and of itself.

Liberals who ignore proof every day even when its in their face... do so because they want to be a good party member. Just like in Stalins day.

[excon]

Nobody here has presented ANY evidence of that Illegals do NOT commit disporportionally HIGH crimes of every tiype., when all the proof they DO exists in every courthouse and every prison in the nation.

Hello again, smoothy:

SAYING it doesn't make it so. Presenting EVIDENCE might.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

SAYING it doesn't make it so. Presenting EVIDENCE might.

excon

You have presented NONE...

I have... IF what you claim had ANY merit at all, the Hispanic Polulation of the Prisons would not excede the percentage of legal Hispanics in this country.

WHich You are incapible of doing.

There IS a law requiring papers to reside in this country if you are NOT a citizen.

THat makes 100% of the illegal population a criminal.

Prove otherwise.

[excon]

THat makes 100% of the illegal population a criminal

Hello again, smoothy:

That's why I LOVE arguing with you. You move the goalposts all the time. But, I'm going to agree with you - ALL the illegals are here illegally.

But, that isn't what you said earlier... It's OK. That's why I'm here.

excon

[smoothy]

Really... is 100% of the American public criminals, if so of what crimes?

Because even elementery school students who understand fractions at all will understand that if 100% of a certain group do something... and another group ( just pulling a number out of the air on this one... ) has 24% percent doing it too, that first group IS disporportionatly represented.

[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

Keep going. You're making MY argument for me.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

Keep going. You're making MY argument for me.

excon

What world are you living on...

Its clear to everyone you are the one who is blowing smoke on this topic.

100% of one group Proves they have a disporportionatly HIGHER representation than 25% of another group. 4-1 higher in fact.


NOT what you are arguing at all.

Illegals are NOT the law abiiding nice people that exist in your world.


And in case its not abundently clear to you... Illegals are NOT the same as Legal immigrants.

[excon]

NOT what you are arguing at all.

Hello again, smoothy:

You DO know that people can READ what we've written. Even you can go back, if that'll help. But, it's OK. I'll remind everyone WHAT this argument is about, and that will be my LAST word on THAT.

YOU proposed that illegals commit MORE crime than their representative proportion of the community as compared to citizens. To be CLEAR, you were NOT simply speaking about their status as illegal. You were speaking about OTHER crime.

When you were presented with statistics from a STUDY rather than your right wing web sites, you CHANGED your tune. Now, you're saying they're criminals simply because they're in the country illegally.

Everybody who can READ, can see for themselves HOW you move the goalposts without missing a beat. But, that's OK. That's why I'm here.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Lawmakers in Arizona have made a few changes to the law "just to take away the silly arguments and the games, the dishonesty that's been played."

One change is they've replaced the phrase "lawful contact" with "lawful stop, detention or arrest."

So ex, are you OK with asking for ID after a "lawful stop, detention or arrest?"

[excon]

One change is they've replaced the phrase "lawful contact" with "lawful stop, detention or arrest." So ex, are you OK with asking for ID after a "lawful stop, detention or arrest?"

Hello again, Steve:

Not really. It'll take some more tinkering before it'll pass constitutional muster... And, I don't know exactly how that's going to play out.. But, I'll bet it'll be about the term "reasonable suspicion" as opposed to the constitutional standard of "probable cause", and the idea that people can sue the cops if they don't think the cops hassled enough Mexicans. THAT part of the law is truly bizarre, even for Arizona.

My reservations are also about how the law is carried out, although Joe Arpio has NEVER cared much about the law anyway. He makes regular sweeps, and he only messes with the brown skinned people. I don't think you can consider the constitutionality of the law WITHOUT considering the actions of Sheriff Joe. They ARE related.

excon

PS> (edited) What I think is even more bizarre than the Arizona law, is the congress thinking the time isn't right to consider immigration reform. What??

[tomder55]

... as oppsed to all those legal applicants for immigration who are forced to provide all types of details about themselves before admission.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

It doesn't surprise me that you equate being required to provide information before you're let in, to being required to provide information because you don't want to be thrown out.

Don't be confused by my response. Had the federal government enforced our laws, there WOULDN'T be established FAMILY'S here, and it's the breaking up of those family's that I object to. On the other hand, if the government HAD secured the border, there wouldn't BE any long standing family's here, and I'd have NO objection to throwing the recently arrived illegal OUT.

I've often times spoken about the legal concept of estoppal. It means, in essence, that if a wrong goes unrighted, after the person/entity is put on notice of the wrong, and doesn't DO anything about it, the wrong, isn't wrong anymore.

It applies here.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

You DO know that people can READ what we've written. Even you can go back, if that'll help. But, it's ok. I'll remind everyone WHAT this argument is about, and that will be my LAST word on THAT.
YOU proposed that illegals commit MORE crime than their representative proportion of the community as compared to citizens. To be CLEAR, you were NOT simply speaking about their status as illegal. You were speaking about OTHER crime.

When you were presented with statistics from a STUDY rather than your right wing web sites, you CHANGED your tune. Now, you're saying they're criminals simply because they're in the country illegally.

Everybody who can READ, can see for themselves HOW you move the goalposts without missing a beat. But, that's ok. That's why I'm here.

excon

Illegals DO commit MORE than their representative share of crime. THere are countless statistics out there as to the huge numbers of criminals in prison that have committed other crimes... and have been caught. You choose to ignore that because the Democrat party is telling you to ignore the facts and believe their hype.

THe fact YOU sit here post after post and Claim illegals are essentually the most innocent bunch of people on the face of the earth is completely unsuportible.

All Illegals are crimninals... not all legal residents and citizens are criminals.

THat right there Proves your claim they commit crime in no higher percentages than any other group of people is completely false.

You find anywhere I have ever said being here illegally is NOT a crime... it IS a crime.. and has been a crime for a very long time.

Illegal Latinos are NOT a special group above the law any more than Illegal Russians, Illegal Chinese or Illegal Indians are.

YOU are the one making that claim... provide a link to the post and make reference to the post number. Neither of us are moderators and can go back and edit old posts either way once they lock.

Otherwise it shows that all you say is essentually made up and as fraudulent as that claim.

Your messiah the current Commander and thief has no moral ground here since most of Obamas appointees and staff are criminals themselves.

How many Tax cheats does he have on staff as proof. If YOU cheated on your taxes like they did do YOU think you would have gotten off so easy and still been offered a big job after the fact? I seriously doubt it.

Status has NOTHING to do with your claims...

THey violated US law... they have in fact committed a crime. A Federal Crime... as well as state Crime in same places... many have committed far more crimes too.

False Id's are a crime... false ID's using another real persons SSI is yet another crime, driving without a Valid drivers license is a crime... and yes, they can send you to jail for that. Illegals can't get a legal drivers license under the law. And so on.

Just who died and appointed Latinos gods chosen people anyway.

[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

We've been here before. You say this, and I say that. You say you didn't say it, and I say you did. I ain't going to do 4th grade stuff with you, smoothy.

excon

[smoothy]

You CAN'T back up your claim of what I said because its as Bogus and full of Bu**it as Obama is.

Because IF there was a shred of proof... you could easily dig it up and refer to it. After all, neither of us can go back and edit or delte last weeks, or last months threads because neither of us has godlike powers here.

Admins or Moderators (if the Admin allows it) can do it... we however can't.

Thus present a previous claim that's beyond our edit window... or just admit you lied and made it up.

[excon]

..or just admit you lied and made it up.

Hello again, smoothy:

Now we've regressed to 2nd grade. I ain't playing.

excon