[Catsmine]

Hello again, Cats:

That's the right wing schtick, alright... But, when the corporate state controls the means of production, and they do, you buy what they TELL you to buy. That would be the euphemistic you.

I grow my own too;). But, MOST people in this country shop in the middle isles of their supermarket and eat breakfast at McDonald's. Look, I'm not as pure as I make myself out to be. I LOVE Lipton instant stroganoff noodles, and I'm sure it's packed with all sort of crap.

excon

And I'm sure my Zatarain's Caribbean Rice has more in it than rice and cayenne and pineapple. But with the nanny state, will we have that option?

[excon]

But with the nanny state, will we have that option?

Hello again, Cats:

If they put prohibitive taxes on the bad stuff, you'll still have a choice. It'll just be an expensive choice. Otherwise, the only option WOULD be to grow your own - or buy real food. The nanny state isn't going to outlaw REAL food.

With a little more time and effort, I can produce rice like Zataran, or noodles like Liptons, and even better that DOESN'T have any of that crap. What's wrong with having to learn how to cook again?

Besides, as a dedicated right winger, what do you have to say about the nanny state telling me that I can't consume pot? Where's MY choice? So, you agree with SOME nanny state, as long as YOU get to decide what's banned. I understand.

Look. I don't want to pay more for my Ho Ho's either. But, what about the children? Aren't right wingers supposed to care about the children? When I was in school, we ate REAL food. Now, it's true, that was before most of the crap was INVENTED, but don't you think we ought to get back to feeding our kids right. Government kitchens, like schools, ARE places where the food police ARE needed. I don't know if you know it, but our kids are fed CRAP. I don't think I knew it, but I DO now.

excon

[Catsmine]

Besides, as a dedicated right winger, what do you have to say about the nanny state telling me that I can't consume pot? Where's MY choice? So, you agree with SOME nanny state, as long as YOU get to decide what's banned. I understand.

Your rhetoric is getting the better of you. I joined NORML in '74.

[tomder55]

Yes government kitchens are where the food police are most needed but for different reasons. It is there where the prepackaged garbage is distributed to the children poor and needy.

As we have mentioned before ;people are not even permitted to donate a good home made meal or dessert to the pantries .So we can spare ourselves the talk about the corporate dictates . If they do,it is in league with the nanny-state .

[excon]

yes government kitchens are where the food police are most needed but for different reasons. It is there where the prepackaged garbage is distributed to the children poor and needy.

As we have mentioned before ;people are not even permitted to donate a good home made meal or dessert to the pantries .So we can spare ourselves the talk about the corporate dictates .[ If they do, it is in league with the nanny-state .

Hello again, tom:

You bring up another reason why we need a wholesale reform of the way our food is delivered. McDonald's can't give away the food that they don't sell. They have to throw it away.

You didn't say "prepackaged garbage," did you? I swear, you're sounding more liberal every day.

excon

[cdad]

Hello again, tom:

You bring up another reason why we need a wholesale reform of the way our food is delivered. McDonald's can't give away the food that they don't sell. They have to throw it away.

You didn't say "prepackaged garbage," did you? I swear, you're sounding more liberal every day.

excon

On a side note. I saw a video on YouTube where they were shooting wild hogs in Texas from a helicoptor. What bothered me about it is that nobody was going behind them to pick them up. You could feed a lot of homeless and hungry with those pigs. From what I understand they have become an epidemic in Texas. But why not at least put them to some good if your going to shoot them ?

[tomder55]

Same here with deer and Canadian Geese .
Goose L'Orange beats Lipton instant stroganoff noodles.

[Catsmine]

same here with deer and Canadian Geese .
Goose L'Orange beats Lipton instant stroganoff noodles.

And boar goes great in Zatarain's Caribbean Rice!

[tomder55]

I don't have any good advice .Maybe some solice in that they are not alone . Tanning salons are mom and pop operations . Much larger corporations who have larger impacts on society are going to feel the pain and have a bigger impact.

Already heavy equipment makers John Deere and Caterpillar have announced to deaf ears how this law will impact their businesses.
Both companies ;US export success stories ,and major employers, have announced huge increases in operating expenses directly due to the law's impact. $100 million in increased costs for 2011for Caterpillar and $150 million in increased costs for 2010 for John Deere.

Worse still is these increases will continue to rise as these companies expand hiring if this country ever comes out of this economic downturn giving them a huge disincentive to hiring more employees.

update : the Dems in Congress and the administration are just a bit touchy over these companies not towing the party line about Obamacare .

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke took to the White House blog to write that while ObamaCare is great for business, "In the last few days, though, we have seen a couple of companies imply that reform will raise costs for them." In a Thursday interview on CNBC, Mr. Locke said "for them to come out, I think is premature and irresponsible."

Meanwhile, Henry Waxman and House Democrats announced yesterday that they will haul these companies in for an April 21 hearing because their judgment "appears to conflict with independent analyses, which show that the new law will expand coverage and bring down costs."

In other words, shoot the messenger.Black-letter financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden. Should these companies have played chicken with the Securities and Exchange Commission to avoid this politically inconvenient reality? Democrats don't like what their bill is doing in the real world, so they now want to intimidate CEOs into keeping quiet.

The ObamaCare Writedowns - WSJ.com

On top of AT&T's $1 billion, the writedown wave so far includes Deere & Co., $150 million; Caterpillar, $100 million; AK Steel, $31 million; 3M, $90 million; and Valero Energy, up to $20 million. Verizon has also warned its employees about its new higher health-care costs, and there will be many more in the coming days and weeks.

When companies lose money, they either go broke, raise prices or lower the quality of their benefits because they are not in business to lose money.

Who will end up suffering? Consumers, taxpayers, employees and their families.

I wonder how long before we start hearing talk of more bailouts... but not for tanning salons.