[NeedKarma]

If I want my burger fried with trans-fats or some french ries fried in trans fats, because I like the taste better than the stuff they use now, I CANNOT get it. There is legislation in process to ban "milkshakes" or any other products that can "cause obesity" from fast food restaurants.

So the answer to those questions is an emphatic "NO". I cannot get these things. The government has banned or is in the process of banning them.

Next?

Elliot

Show me these laws.

[excon]

Hello again, El

Yeah, those damn liberals...

But, you eat breakfast in the morning knowing your food is safe because some damn liberal made sure it was. You breath clean air because some damn liberal cares about you. You drive a safe car because some damn liberal made it so. You fill your tank in a SAFE environment with hoses that have been inspected by the government, because some liberal wanted to make sure you didn't burn up when you fill up. You wear clothes that were NOT made in sweat shops because some damn liberal cares about children. You don't have to worry about your golden years because some damn liberal gave you a safety net. You don't have to worry about going broke because of health costs when you get older, because some damn liberal worried about you.

I could go on and on, but it would be lost on you.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Nope, he's pro-choice.

Nope, he's pro-abortion. You can't call it anything else if you oppose giving rights to a child that survives an abortion procedure.

[ETWolverine]

Oh and this is another thing. Speak for yourself about wanting to be a cowboy. Again my generation does not think like this.

Actually, if you go through "fly-over" country, you will find that many people of your genberation DO think like this.

I'll put it this way my wife who is not politcal at all. Watched both the conventions because welll she really didn't have a choice because I wanted to watch them. When they scanned the GOP's crowd she begged me to turn it off because the people in the crowd gave her a chill up her spine like she was watching a horror movie. Again your base scares my generation away.

First of all, perhaps your wife should meet Chris Mathews... he get's chills running up and down his legs too.

Second, "your generation" mostly doesn't vote. So who cares if they are scared away. Besides, as "your generation" get older, they seem to grow into the GOP. Having all your hard-earned money taken from you for decades tends to move you to the right over time.

My brother, who is of "your generation" (30 years old, 10 years younger than me) used to be a flaming liberal. Then he began working and watched a) the unions in action in his profession, b) the whiners who leach off the public troth, and c) his paycheck cut in half, and suddenly he wasn't quite so liberal anymore. Oh, to be sure he's to the left of me (most people are). But he's no lib anymore, at least not on most issues.

You know the old saying: Those who aren't liberals when they are young have no heart. Those aren't conservative when they get older have no brain. (I never had a heart.)

The point is that you and your wife will likely start seeing more and more comonality with the GOP as the years pass. There's a reason that the GOP is seen as being made up of "old white men". To a degree it's true. Older people tend to be frustrated by how little they still have of what they have earned after working for so long, which puts them in line with the GOP. Those old white guys start seeming much less scary over time.

Elliot

[spitvenom]

Speech I'm not saying she is right. What I am saying is she perceives people from the republican party as scary. She did not single out Texas I am sure she had no clue what state those people were from. Hell they could have been from right here in PA.

Her almost exact words were please turn this off these women they look like jesus freaks step ford wife's and it is creeping me out. See that is how your party is perceived. And we all know perception is reality.


My question to you is why do YOU SPEECH keep making this about North and South? When that has Nothing at all to do with this.

[spitvenom]

El I think this election proves my generation votes.

Matthews got a good chill, My wife got a scared chill. There is a difference.

[ETWolverine]

Hello again, El

Yeah, those damn liberals...

But, you eat breakfast in the morning knowing your food is safe because some damn liberal made sure it was.

Interesting. My grandparents used to butcher their own food in the old country... no FDA at work there. They never seemed to need government intervention to get by. And when the government DID intervene in their lives... well, they ended up with numbers tattooed on their wrists.

You breath clean air because some damn liberal cares about you.

No, I breath clean air because COMPANIES started imposing their own environmental standards in order to meet customer needs and concerns... not because of anything the government did. The government can't correct problems. They can only create legislation and file lawsuits. The COMPANIES correct the problems.

You drive a safe car because some damn liberal made it so.

No, I drive a safe car because FORD manufactured a safe car. The government can't manufacture anything. The only thing they can manufacture are regulations. Regulations don't DO anything except make life miserable.

You fill your tank in a SAFE environment with hoses that have been inspected by the government, because some liberal wanted to make sure you didn't burn up when you fill up.

Gee, the fact that the filling station didn't want to burn down it's real estate and it's fuel inventory didn't have anything to do with that. Again, the government can't fix anything. They can only make regulations.

You wear clothes that were NOT made in sweat shops because some damn liberal cares about children.

Yep. And in assuring that, the government probably consigned some family to starvation because little Timmy couldn't bring home enough money to pay for food for the family because he's too young to work and his older brother Jimmy is too expensive to employ. Great going.

You don't have to worry about your golden years because some damn liberal gave you a safety net.

In case you hadn't noticed, the Social Security Trust Fund is bankrupt. The US GOVERNMENT is now bankrupt thanks to a $3 trillion + spending spree by the Obama Administration and the Liberal Congress. THERE IS NO SAFETY NET!!

You don't have to worry about going broke because of health costs when you get older, because some damn liberal worried about you.

Yep. I won't have to worry about paying for medicines or procedures that some pencil-pusher decides I don't qualify for and won't be able to get on my own. So I'll end up dead long before I have to spend any money. The death tax, however, is going to screw up my kids' finances.

I could go on and on, but it would be lost on you.

Excon

It isn't lost on me. I see it for what it is, not for the utopia you want it to be.

Elliot

[galveston]

Ex, for such smart man you can make some of the darndest comments.

Like those about the right wing laws.

Extreme right is anarchy, so there are NO laws from the far right.

[NeedKarma]

My grandparents used to butcher their own food in the old country... no FDA at work there.

So butcher your own food.

And when the government DID intervene in their lives... well, they ended up with numbers tattooed on their wrists.

It shows how pathetic your argument is when you have to conger up the nazis.

[NeedKarma]

Like those about the right wing laws.

Extreme right is anarchy, so there are NO laws from the far right.

Same argument about the extreme left but that doesn't stop you does it?

[galveston]

Same argument about the extreme left but that doesn't stop you does it?

What kind of comment is this? I pointed out that there can be no laws from the extreme right, and you say there can be no laws from the extreme left?? Get real.

[ETWolverine]

El I think this election proves my generation votes.

Matthews got a good chill, My wife got a scared chill. There is a difference.

Actually, no it doesn't. In terms of demographics, the number of young voters (18-29) was roughly the same as in prior elections at 18% vs. 17% in 2004 and 2000 and 1996. There was no significant statistical difference in the "youth" vote. It is actually lower than in 1992 (20%) and 1988 (21%).

As for your wife and Mathews, they can start a 12-step group... Chills Anonymous. CA for short.

Elliot

[spitvenom]

Please post where you got these numbers from.

[spitvenom]

Oh and what you fail to recognize is my wife who is not political at all who knows nothing about the left and the right who had no idea if she was watching the DNC or RNC just looked at the screen and said these people are scary.

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[excon]

Ex, for such smart man you can make some of the darndest comments. Extreme right is anarchy, so there are NO laws from the far right.

Hello again, gal:

You're not wrong. You're just calling it the wrong thing. Anarchy isn't right or left. It's just an absence of law. It wouldn't be considered a libertarian because there's no freedom in chaos.

Our Constitutional republic, even in it's purest form, has laws. Are all laws left leaning? No. Do they limit freedom? Sure, but they create order where freedom can be enjoyed. There is no freedom in chaos.

But, if you're talking about a Ron Paul type of libertarian philosophy, it isn't right wing at all. In fact, it's the best of the left combined with the best of the right.

excon

[tomder55]

It is not right or left .on a straight line graphic there is liberty at one end and tyranny at the other .

[ETWolverine]

Please post where you got these numbers from.

For 2008 info:
Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Prior information:
US Presidential Elections
"How Groups Voted" sections within each election results.

Elliot

[spitvenom]

The CNN one won't show me anything for some reason.

[NeedKarma]

The CNN one won't show me anything for some reason.

It doesn't seem to show any other year but the latest election.

[ETWolverine]

It doesn't seem to show any other year but the latest election.

Yes. That's why I posted TWO sources.