[JoeT777]

There used to be a popular bumper sticker -- "I found God." No, it should have been -- "God found me."

It should read, I cooperated with God when He found me.

JoeT

[Tj3]

There used to be a popular bumper sticker -- "I found God." No, it should have been -- "God found me."

I think that you are referring to the mid-70's "I Found It" campaign.

[Wondergirl]

First, you are deviating from what we were discussing. The question was about whether 10 Bible believing Christians would agree on the essentials. You said that no two would agree.

I didn't say "essentials." I suggested a list of ten things but didn't specify.

Perhaps before we move on to something else, you copuld provide us with some validation for that claim.

That would have been the point of the survey.

BTW, as for salvation, keep in mind that scripture was quite clear that we must believe in the true gospel and the true Jesus - not just believe in some variant of the gospel and some variant of Jesus.

But is that the only and final revelation? Is God that small that only Christians will be in heaven?

[Alty]

The devil believes also. The question is whether a person believes in the one true Jesus and the gospel and has received Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

Are you comparing me to the devil Tom?

There is and can be only one truth.

What makes you so certain that you're "truth" is the one? Others would disagree, say that their way is the only way.

One has to wonder, who's right? Not all of you can be right.

[Tj3]

I didn't say "essentials." I suggest a list of ten things but didn't specify.

I missed your list of ten things - can you point me to it?

But is that the only and final revelation? Is God that small that only Christians will be in heaven?

I don't think that either you or I are in a position to judge God on that matter.

The question should be, is there any other way for the price of sin to be paid than the perfect blood of Jesus shed on the cross? And if there is, then Jesus sacrifice was futile and un-necessary.

[JoeT777]

What makes you so certain that you're "truth" is the one? Others would disagree, say that their way is the only way.

Me, Me!

[Tj3]

Are you comparing me to the devil Tom?

Heh heh heh, I guess you'll find some way to make anything I say negative.

What makes you so certain that you're "truth" is the one? Others would disagree, say that their way is the only way.

It does not matter what a man or woman, or even millions of billions of men or women want to believe. All that matters is what God has said. His word is final.

One has to wonder, who's right? Not all of you can be right.

Again - who is right - God!

[Wondergirl]

I missed your list of ten things - can you point me to it?

We never got that far. The thread was shut down.

I don't think that either you or I are in a position to judge God on that matter.

Precisely! We agree!

The question should be, is there any other way for the price of sin to be paid than the perfect blood of Jesus shed on the cross? And if there is, then Jesus sacrifice was futile and un-necessary.

Not unnecessary, but there might be more we don't know. We don't know the mind of God.

[Tj3]

Not unnecessary, but there might be more we don't know. We don't know the mind of God.

We do know because God told us.

Heb 10:11-14
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.
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Acts 4:10-12
10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
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John 14:5-6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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[Wondergirl]

We do know because God told us.

We don't know ALL of God's mind.

[Tj3]

We don't know ALL of God's mind.

We don't need to know more than what He already told us.

[Wondergirl]

We don't need to know more than what He already told us.

He will take care of the details.

[Tj3]

He will take care of the details.

Yes He will, whether we think that He should have done it differently or not, whether we feel that He should have opened salvation up to additional ways of salvation or not. His decision is final and His decision is just.

[Wondergirl]

Yes He will, whether or not we think that He should have done it differently or not, whether or not we feel that He should have opened salvation up to additional ways of salvation or not. His decision is final and His decision is just.

Even if He does open heaven to many more than we think He should. But then, if we have a problem with that, we're in the wrong place.

[Tj3]

Even if He does open heaven to many more than we think He should. But then, if we have a problem with that, we're in the wrong place.

God does not contradict Himself. Again, if there was another acceptable sacrifice, then that belittles what Jesus did on the cross, making it unnecessary.

I have no reason to doubt God's word, which is quite specific and abundantly clear.

[Wondergirl]

God does not contradict Himself. Again, if there was another acceptable sacrifice, then that belittles what Jesus did on the cross, making it unnecessary.

I have no reason to doubt God's word, which is quite specific and abundantly clear.

I don't agree. There may be life on other planets and God has a different plan for them.

[Tj3]

I don't agree. There may be life on other planets and God has a different plan for them.

The gospel given to us applies to ALL creation.

Rom 8:20-24
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
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[Wondergirl]

The gospel given to us applies to ALL creation.

Rom 8:20-24
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
NKJV

Limited to this world, the creation here.

[Tj3]

Limited to this world, the creation here.

Where specifically do you find "whole creation" limited to earth in scripture?

We cannot simply read something into scripture because it makes us feel more comfortable, or because we don't like what God said, or to bend scripture to fit our beliefs. So where do you find this limitation in scripture?

[Alty]

Me, Me!

Me too Joe, me too! :cool: