[arcura]

450donn,
Sorry but I can and I did say that God was not an ape.
I told you what I believe.
Please do not tell me what I can or can not say or believe.
I do believe the bible but obviously differently than you do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.

[N0help4u]

I don't see it either how God would create an amoeba and it turn to an ape then to man. Where along the line did it become in his image? Were Adam and Eve fictional then or were they the first human life form to develop from the ape?

[arcura]

N0help4u,
I believe Adam and Eve were the first human beings with a God given soul.
That spirit is the image of God who is spirit. It would be thousands of years before God would be born as a man.
Peace and kindness
Fred

[N0help4u]

So one day there is the ape or whatever came before man with no soul and then one day Adam and Eve are born to this being with a soul?

[arcura]

NOhelp4U
Yup.
That's the way I believe God did it.
The monkeys evolved up to become a pro-man.
The next step up was a man when God gave him a soul.
But of course Gid could have doe it a different way.
That's OK with me.
I just find it interesting to wonder how God created everythung including mankind.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Tj3]

NOhelp4U
Yup.
That's the way I believe God did it.
The monkeys evolved up to become a pro-man.
The next step up was a man when God gave him a soul.
But of course Gid could have doe it a different way.
That's OK with me.
I just find it interesting to wonder how God created everythung including mankind.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

So then you reject the Biblical account in Genesis?

[arcura]

Nope I do Not.
Don't try to accuse me of that.
You have done so before on other boards.
I just interpret some things in the bible MY way just like you do.

[N0help4u]

I can understand the gap theory to explain the earth existing before the 6 day creation but I have yet to figure away to explain monkeys to God creating Adam & Eve from dirt. I never have heard it explained to make both work together.

[Tj3]

Nope I do Not.
Don't try to accuse me of that.
You have done so before on other boards.
I just interpret some things in the bible MY way just like you do.

Okay, so please explain how you manage to reconcile your belief in evolution and Genesis.

[Tj3]

I can understand the gap theory to explain the earth existing before the 6 day creation but I have yet to figure away to explain monkeys to God creating Adam & Eve from dirt. I never have heard it explained to make both work together.

Yep. Not to mention the difficulties in explaining how and when sin entered the world relative to the gospel found in scripture and the account in Genesis.

[N0help4u]

I would like to hear it also.
Not only did God say he formed man from the dirt but
He also said he created each species according to its kind
So not only can we not have a monkey being with a horse but neither can we have a monkey giving birth to a man.
At least that is what I get from each according to its kind.

[450donn]

450donn,
Sorry but I can and I did say that God was not an ape.
I told you what I believe.
Please do not tell me what I can or can not say or believe.
I do believe the bible but obviously differently than you do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.

Fred, I still have to disagree. That is EXACTLY what you said, here is your original post:
Nestorian,
Hey, I'm a Christian who sees no problem with the scientific idea that Mankind evolved from monkeys.

So if man evolved from monkeys and God created man in HIS own image then you are saying that God is a monkey!
I hate to keep harping on this but your theory is so redicilous it is not even funny any longer.

[Nestorian]

:) Very good observations and theories, everyone. Inpressive, it takes a lot of strength to talk about such emotionaly charged ideas, eh?

So back to The word of GOD, or Science, or both, or none. ;)

NOHELP4U, you say that the one absolute truth is that we will call good evil and evil good in the last days. I"m afraid that this statement is not really absolute for every one. For i do not see things as Good nor Evil, only as beings on a road of thier own. That statement belongs only to you it seems; though, i do agree that The majority of the human race has seemed to have embraced the cold unforgiveing clutches of the Four horse-men: Pestialance, Strife, war/ Conquest, and DEATH. "Together we stand, divided we fall." Pestialance is STDs, and also drug abuse, especailly alcohol! On account it plagues the mind and literally stupidafies people, in larg amounts, but no that larg. Strife is global warming, the bug killed forests, and the lack of a market for farmers to have reason to keep farming. War is the wars in the middle east, africa, and all others. Conquest is the simmulare but for differnt reasons, the war on terror/drugs (quite a paradox don't you think?) Death is preaty self explanitory.

Complicatedlife it does seem rather implossible that we as human being could possible further advance our intelegents. But hear this, if we progressed from aps, to cavemen, then to women/men. What then is next?? FOr believe it or not we are capable of further progressing our intelegents. We don't know quite how the brain works but what we do know is that it is capable of amazing Feats. A man has a stroke looses feeling in his left side and is unable to use it for five long years. He is introduced to a new type of thearopy, where he is forced to used his left side. Not in leeps and bounds ofcourse but in small constant steps he learned to do simple tasks, like crawl around a flour. Then he got to bigger more difficult things like buttoning a shirt. We learn that our brains can rearange themselves to suit our needs. And who knows we wont start to have biological irredularities that will some day prove useful and advancing the human race??
As for there bing a creator, I say if there is there is. If not, then not. And what ever form this "creator" takes, i feel no concern for what it is. Just that it simply is. I am what i am, and it is what it is.
If God Ceated us with some preconcived plan and is knowing all, then really people have no free will, because he created things to play out how they are, which is fine. So because GOD created everything, you can't have a free will, you act becuase GOD made you act. But; that contradicts the bible does it not?? Hum, nothing comes on it's own, maybe?? Just remember that no energy can be created and no energy can be destroyed. Though this would not aply to GOD.

Acura I appolagise if i said you can't believe the bible, for it is very true that you can. I do mean that i will not put my trust in the bible, true it has a lot of great ideas, expressed for that time quite wonderfully. But if the book of GOD says you are to have "fiath" in GOD, then the problem with that idea is that the very book of GOD/ the word of GOD is evidence of GOD. Hummm, quite the brain twister eh? But just so you know I still believe there is a GOD. Crazy though it maybe I don't think people are made in GOD's immage. I believe GOD is one and all. But that is my path to GOD, maybe it's yours to, you just haven't found it. Then again maybe not, maybe you are on you path. But it's always nice to share what we learn, and how we feel. These are some of our reaces most interesting qualities.

[Nestorian]

So if man evolved from monkeys and God created man in HIS own image then you are saying that God is a monkey!
I hate to keep harping on this but your theory is so redicilous it is not even funny any longer.

So 450donn, HAve you ever thought the words "His own image" are referring to what GOD saw us to be? That is a very real possibility. I see that fitting much more realistically than GOD looking like us. Answer me that my brother, because I'd like to hear what you think.

[N0help4u]

That statement does not belong only to me, it may not apply to your thinking or the way you see things but it IS a general direction the world is taking. You can deny it all you want in your world but it does not make it not so... all you have to do is look at rap music and it is one good example.

[Nestorian]

Talaniman I like your Spunk kid, you got spirit, and wisdom to boot. Your answer, is very socialogicaly sensible. Epecailly the whole talk of cultural differneces, and how each relation ship with GOD is different. I would however like to think that no matter what you think GOD to be, GOD is all and one, therefor every one Percives GOD differntly, but GOD is still GOD no matter what we so choose to think. Just as a branch is a branch, and a snake is a snake, but anyone and believe that they are GOD. Any one understand?

All humans are made the same. I like this idea. So very true. People of all different shapes and sizes, different mentalities, and so on. All are created the same, by birth. There are a few other simularities that most people over look. Every person does the best they can, for themselves, to servive/ live/or at just being. And since we are not ALL KNOWING we can not really know what will happen form one moment to the next. We are fairly aware of ourselves and the differnce between right and wrong. However, differnet cultures demand different ideals. The conflict of interest is, are we right to kill others to defend ourselves? How do we not know that if we live on while others do not, then we bring about the detruction of society, or the balance of the world. Look at the western society how much do we wast, and look at south america the rainforest they kill to make a buck, and yet we do the same thing. I live in a forestry city, and it's all dead or dying. The forests I mean. IT's sad, because not only are the aniamls left with no home, nor places to hunt, but also the very thing we need to breath, we kill its source to suit other less inportant needs, FUN. We are equil in that very few will admit that they are wrong, very few will give with out expecting to receive, very few will admit that their way is not the only way, very few will see the plants and animals as necessities to our servival, and so on. So do you see just how alike we all are? Everyone is trying to survive the best the know how, and still judge others for doing the same thing. Pitty, but that is the way things are, no? Doesn't have to be.

Though I do like how you put it Talaniman. I tend to ramble and wonder, so very well siad my friend. Best of wishes to you.

[Nestorian]

That statement does not belong only to me, it may not apply to your thinking or the way you see things but it IS a general direction the world is taking. You can deny it all you want in your world but it does not make it not so....all you have to do is look at rap music and it is one good example.

Fair enough, but in relevance to this very conversation, it is your's your statement you just said it.

The world is not dead yet, and we are not gone. It may seem like it's taking that direction, but we can still choose other wise.

[arcura]

NOhelp4U,
I go by modern recognized science on the evolution of monkeys to human beings. That starts with evolution from dirt where a lot of things started from.
I go by the bible that God made the humans or persons with a soul whose immediate ancestors were pro-man evolved from monkeys...
There are a great many things the bible DOES NOT explain in detail including the billions of years of creation and the millions of years of evolution.
That is explained by modern science.
I am very familiar with the strict creationist belief for I believed that for many years.
Now I reconcile modern science with what the bible says and interpret it my way which I have already posted.
As I mentioned, God could have created it differently and that is OK with me.
There are a number of different interpretations. I merely mentioned mine.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Tj3]

So back to The word of GOD, or Science, or both, or none. ;)

No choice required between these two. I have a background in science, and I hold to belief in the Biblical account because it matches the evidence found in science and is in concert with scripture.

[Tj3]

NOhelp4U,
I go by modern recognized science on the evolution of monkeys to human beings. That starts with evolution from dirt where a lot of things started from.

What scientific evidence proves man evolved from apes?