[michealb]

Apparently atheists aren't allowed to hold office or be a witness in a trail by state law in 7 different states. So it may not be a christian nation but they sure end up making the laws.

[Genghis77]

The Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution never make a mention of Christian, Christ or any other than a generic god in reference to "inalienable rights." In fact the "In God We Trust" as seen on currency or "....Nation under God" in the Pledge did not exist until Eisenhower signed both into law in 1953. Christian? No Way! I will go with the laws established on Judeo-Christian principles and values as thaose religions were mostdominant. But Founding Fathers took great care to avoid establishing a national religion as was common in European Nations.

For those that say the US is a Christian Nation, under just which of the many hundreds of denominations, sects and other divisions would that be? Roman Catholic would be largest. But Beware. Your flavor of Christianity may be excluded if you wish Christian domination.

[Skell]

This whole idea of a pledge is really quite amusing. Why does one need to recite some words to be proud of their country? Where I'm from we don't have one. Does that make us all unpatriotic? Maybe they should just consider scrapping the pledge all together then no one would be offended.

[Allheart]

This whole idea of a pledge is really quite amusing. Why does one need to recite some words to be proud of their country? Where im from we dont have one. Does that make us all unpatriotic? Maybe they should just consider scrapping the pledge all together then no one would be offended.

Hi my Aussie friend,

Oh Skell, no I would never wanted it scraped. Ever. The feeling that you get placing your hand to your heart and reciting the pledge, I can't even describe. What goes through my mind when doing it, is all of those who have given their lives, so our country can remain free. I also think of my fellow Americans as well. It's a tribute. So hard to describe.

[NeedKarma]

It sounds like something cults do to retain their followers.

[Allheart]

It sounds like something cults do to retain their followers.

LOL NK for goodness sake... Do you have a hat over there with all these sayings LOL just kiddn.

No, it's not, hopefully someone else can come in behind me and say it way better then I could. I just can't seem to describe it. I'm sorry.

For me, it's just symbolic for love of our country.

[Allheart]

I just had a thought... uh oh. It's similar to the National Anthem, but it is spoken, instead of sung. On that line.

Just like the beautiful "Oh Canada". I used to be a huge hockey fan and would get chills hearing them sing your anthem as well.

[Galveston1]

It was established by Christians. It was established as a government without religious preference. It certainly was NOT established as an Atheist nation.

[George_1950]

It was established by Christians. It was established as a government without religious preference. It certainly was NOT established as an Atheist nation.

Or as someone said:
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. Do not ever let anyone claim to be a true American patriot if they ever attempt to separate Religion from politics." George Washington

[Skell]

Or as someone said:
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. Do not ever let anyone claim to be a true American patriot if they ever attempt to separate Religion from politics." George Washington

By George, I think George is wrong! Seriously wrong.

[George_1950]

By George, I think George is wrong! Seriously wrong.

Shall we let history decide?

[speedball1]

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. Do not ever let anyone claim to be a true American patriot if they ever attempt to separate Religion from politics." George Washington

What a crock of crap!! I'm with Exccon. Ya want to belief? Here's one for you.
I believe, Religion began when the first priest met the first fool Now there'sa belief for you.

[michealb]

Apparently you are correct Speedball. That quote is only found in one place by author David Barton who writes books for the religious right about how we are suppose to be a nation ruled by Christianity. He has no source for that quote other than his own writings.

[inthebox]

Bsouthe - is all that from Obama's secret playbook or from Karl Marx?

[NeedKarma]

Bsouthe - is all that from Obama's secret playbook or from Karl Marx?

Such a pathetic attempt at mudslinging. And this is an example of christianity today. <sigh>

[speedball1]

Such a pathetic attempt at mudslinging.

NK, I don't think the "mudslinging's" pathetic at all. You just stumbled into a gaggle of free thinkers. We sling mud simply because Christianity gives us so many dandy openings to do so. And besides it's fun to tweek the noses of the Bible thumpers. You Christians have so many silly tenets in your religion that we just can't resist. I could rag on the Catholics all day but, hands down, the most fun people in the Christian Religion to "mess with their minds" are, without a doubt, the Christian Fundamentalists. They only see black and white, no shades of gray in their world. In short, you Christians are FUN people to play with. I know, for thirteen years after I retired I was into Women's Rights. I was head of security and chief escort for a abortion clinic. I escorted frightened girls past screaming protesters. You Christians really made those thirteen years interesting. I was attacked three times, shot at twice, went through five bomb scares and opened a letter that had white powder in it the writer claimed was Anthrax. It took three days before Hazmat told me I wasn't going to die. So much for "Christian Love". Yeah! I know you Christians real good. What do you think turned me into a stone atheist.

[inthebox]

So.. the most rabid anti-Christian zealots are ex-Christians. Is that because you know Christians are called to be loving and forgiving? And that is why they make such easy targets?




Speedball did you ever once think that you escorted 2 lives in and onlly one came out?




Like Bsouth, they can spew their insults - take a look at the posts, but a when a Christian quotes the words of Obama and makes the comparison with Marx, it is called "mudslinging?" Call it what you want, this may not be a Christian nation, and despite political correctness, contrary views are still allowed in the US.



If Obama does not know that He associates with terrorists [ayers ], racists[Wright], and corruption [Rezko], what exact "Change" is He trying to bring?

Does Obama not think that the American voters will see Him as either knaive or just another politician using people to gain influence?

[NeedKarma]

Is that because you know Christians are called to be loving and forgiving?

That's the part we don't see much here. In my real life I have friends that span the religious and racial gamut, but here some of the christians are just plain nasty to others.

[inthebox]

Okay NK - how about this, go to a al queda or hamas web site and spew your invectives at them and hope that only your feelings get hurt. ;)

[NeedKarma]

What's the analogy? This isn't a christian website.
So when your feelings are hurt by people having different opinions you lash out at them?