[paraclete]

So what's the problem, excepting it might be a little outdated

[speechlesstx]

You demonstrated that you cannot read and cross reference data written as a law, and I can dig that, but if you could be so gracious as to name a regulation you object to I will find the specifics for you as it relates to a specific business.

Dude, stop dancing around the issue and insulting my intelligence. My occupation is in SAFETY, we have to comply with DOT, MSHA and OSHA for starters, the scope is MIND BOGGLING, and that doesn't take into account the usual regs applicable to most businesses, state regulations and local code.

One shouldn't need a 400 page safety manual to walk around a plant inspecting fire extinguishers, but thanks to liability issues and over-regulation that's EXACTLY what all those evil corporations that you think need more oversight are requiring now and it gets deeper every day. So don't condescend to me on regulations, put up and show us how easy it is to comply or shut up

[excon]

Hello:

The term "regulations" means different things to different people. I think we have too many, but I don't think we should get rid of ALL of 'em... I actually LIKE regulations that keep us "safe". Of course, the word "safe" means different things to different people..

Fer instance, I think it's FINE that I can't smoke in public buildings, and it's FINE that I have to wear a seat belt. It's NOT fine that the government wants to put me in jail for smoking pot..

excon

[tomder55]

But of course claiming that we want to get rid of ALL regulation is a strawman.

[speechlesstx]

Again with myth that we want to get rid of ALL regulations. Come on ex, you know that's ridiculous.

[talaniman]

Dude, stop dancing around the issue and insulting my intelligence. My occupation is in SAFETY, we have to comply with DOT, MSHA and OSHA for starters, the scope is MIND BOGGLING, and that doesn't take into account the usual regs applicable to most businesses, state regulations and local code.

One shouldn't need a 400 page safety manual to walk around a plant inspecting fire extinguishers, but thanks to liability issues and over-regulation that's EXACTLY what all those evil corporations that you think need more oversight are requiring now and it gets deeper every day. So don't condescend to me on regulations, put up and show us how easy it is to comply or shut up

My occupation was safety too, and I did a lot more than just walk around checking for fire extinguishers, and know full well the short cuts workers and companies take for convenience and save a few bucks. If its not in detailed writing, and put into practice it doesn't get done so keep your manual handy and read the damn thing because it might save your life.

And stop belly aching because I have personal friends who have died because of not paying attention and not following the rules so get the freak off my back about what's needed and NOT needed.

We aren't talking about just you, we are talking about how to handle very dangerous materials and situations that do occur industry wide, and for your information many deaths and injuries have resulted in procedures and policy being updated, or changed completely. The first rule is to be aware of your surroundings and pay attention to potential hazards. Even if all your doing is checking fire extinguishers.

Sorry the manual is 400 pages, there is a lot to cover. Read it BEFORE you check those extinguishers. And I have acknowledged the difficulties involved with compliance, never said it was easy nor should it be, but the alternatives are death and injury, sometimes serious injury.

Take your pick.

Again with myth that we want to get rid of ALL regulations. Come on ex, you know that's ridiculous.

So far all you have complained about are the number of pages to read but you have not articulated any regulation to date that HURTS a business. Big business has NOT either, so what the hell are you guys b1tching about?

[speechlesstx]

In other words, you're all hat and no cattle.

[talaniman]

No, you parrot the straw argument that regulations hurt businesses and have laid out no specific examples, so that makes YOU what you refer to me as and I ain't going for it.

Talking loud, and saying nothing is unnacceptable. That's no way to have a debate and arguing abstract ideas is NOT a debate. Be specific, like why the government has stricter requirements for energy companies for emissions or disposal of left over by products of refining shale oil, or diclosure of chemicals used in frakking, as that's specific, not the entire regulation guide for the whole country.

Now if you want to know how to use those tools that's different than hollering about the expense of compliance.

[speechlesstx]

No, you parrot the straw argument that regulations hurt businesses and have laid out no specific examples, so that makes YOU what you refer to me as and I ain't going for it.

Talking loud, and saying nothing is unnacceptable. Thats no way to have a debate and arguing abstract ideas is NOT a debate. Be specific, like why the government has stricter requirements for energy companies for emissions or disposal of left over by products of refining shale oil, or diclosure of chemicals used in frakking, as thats specific, not the entire regulation guide for the whole country.

Now if you want to know how to use those tools thats different than hollering about the expense of compliance.

Wrong Bucko, you asked "So what could those regulations that are choking them so bad be?"

I did my part, all you give us is a head fake.

[talaniman]

I have already pointed out they have trained lawyers and accountants to explain things to them and devise strategies, and you don't. What do you think congressional staffers do? Read and explain stuff, and write legislation. You have to get your own understanding from other sources like the boss or a manual.

Don't blame your own innability to articulate your questions on me.

[speechlesstx]

I have already pointed out they have trained lawyers and accountants to explain things to them and devise strategies, and you don't. What do you think congressional staffers do? Read and explain stuff, and write legislation. You have to get your own understanding from other sources like the boss or a manual.

Don't blame your own innability to articulate your questions on me.

Oh I get it, I forget sometimes that you lefties think we're too stupid for our own good and that bogging business down with the expense of lawyers, accountants and consultants and otherwise complying with the over-bloated bureaucracy is just the cost of doing business.. Sorry dude, but you're just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

[talaniman]

You aren't dumb or stupid I just worked for a global company that demanded I have a formal education to have a good job is all.

[speechlesstx]

And yet you can't see the forest for the trees.

[cdad]

Thanks dad, the amazing thing about the café standards is how it’s driven all the participants to newer technologies from the steel alloys and new materials used to the robots that build them. When they make the right power source, and the infrastructure to support it, no telling where this is headed so my question is what your objection to it is?

Café standards didn't lead to new materials nor robots. It lead to plastics being used so if the car catchs fire you have yet another hazzard on your hands from the smoke. There is enough competition in the world that it should be eliminated as the standards they are using is actually holding back progress rather then promoting it. Also why should there be a built in penalty for the working man? Its time is long past to drop it as a "standard".

[paraclete]

The great difficulty with standards is they are often written with the close involvement of industry, so it becomes not something to be attained but that which is already attainable. A country will write standards which force its competitors into disadvantage

[cdad]

The great difficulty with standards is they are often written with the close involvment of industry, so it becomes not some thing to be attained but that which is already attainable. a country will write standards which force its competitors into disadvantage

You see Clete its not the 70's anymore. That is what brought this whole thing about.

More info:

CAFE (Fuel Efficiency) Standards for Passenger Cars and Light Trucks

[tomder55]

Café standards ,like the Tesla are built for utopia instead of the roads of the North East.
Tesla Nightmare Shows Problem With All-Electric Cars - Business Insider

[talaniman]

Obama's CAFE Standards – The Obama Administration's CAFE Standards

Still not sure why you are opposed to Café?

[cdad]

Obama’s CAFE Standards – The Obama Administration’s CAFE Standards

Still not sure why you are opposed to CAFE?

I had told you. It is no longer needed and is holding back progress. What more do you need for opposition ?

[talaniman]

I think there is much room for improvement, and I think we can and should build on what we have done so far. Why stop now?

What progress does this stop?