[procmkirschner]

Alrighty,
Im not the best person at plumbing but I do know the basics. I am remodeling a basement and the person asked me frameout drywall plumb and run elect. No biggy, but I am confused on one part. There are two 2" pvc pipes roughed in the concrete. One says vent one says drain. I kind of understand venting and draining. But what I don't understand is how to properly vent pre roughed in venting. I am very capable of learning easily I just need a rough idea to figure it out. I don't want this to end badly.
******* I though vents need to be angled up instead of carried over
For example:
Stud ________________________
________0______0________
/ \
Vent Drain
Can anyone help please!!

[procmkirschner]

Okay the "picture" didn't come out right. But the vent is the O on the left and the drain is the O on the right in between the studd.
Thanks

[ma0641]

Yes, a vent connector should be angled up but it is for draining rainwater and condensation back to the main drain. Use a drain ell or an inverted sanitary Y. 1/8"/ft is fine and flat is OK if you are 6" above flood rim.

[procmkirschner]

I understand but if I have to put the why above the flood rim than how will the sink drain properly if the pvc has to go up than y`s into the roughed in drain line. I don't mean to sound stupid I'm just not knowledgeable in plumbing.

Is this how it needs to look because it just looks odd to me.

Is this how it needs to look because it just looks odd to me.

Is this how it needs to look becuase it just looks odd to me.

Or a studor Vent?

[speedball1]

I guess I must be missing the entire complaint. It looks like a typical lavatory drain and vent installation just got complicated. It looks like the lavatory drain is expected to drain up instead of down. What's with that? No mention of rain water or condensate in post #1 and it's not OK to run a vent flat with no slope at any time. So where's all this extra drainage connecting in and is it code in this area to discharge anything bur gray water and sewage back into the main?
Also, in the drawing I don't see the vent going anyplace. I can see no reason for the wye either, A vent tee and a vent ell should be used here. And why is it there at all? To angle the vent back into the main? That red line off to the right is still part of the vent isn't it?
All in all I'm confused by your drawing. Can you "dumb" it down so a simple plumber like myself can understand it? Back to you, Tom

[massplumber2008]

Procmkirschner said, "I am remodeling a basement and the person asked me frameout drywall plumb and run elect. No biggy, but I am confused on one part"...

I'd say it is quite a "biggy" here as you are confused on more than one part! In fact, if you are confused this much by the plumbing I have to wonder about your ability to SAFELY wire the job as well!

I'm sorry to bust you here, but in my opinion, you could kill you or the homeowner if something goes wrong with the electrical... never mind any issues with the plumbing and insurance, etc... ;)

I hate to see you lose money, but I just wanted to pop in and STRONGLY suggest that you talk the homeowner into hiring someone that is familiar with plumbing and electrical (and is insured). I think the homeowner would respect that!

Just my two cents!

Good luck!

Mark

[speedball1]

I totally agree with Mark, From your drawing I'd say you're way over your head. Here's a thought. If you're handy and can run PVC why not call in a plumber to lay the job out for you and you can do the same thing with the electrical part. Don't forget, this job MUST be permitted and inspected both the plumbing and electrical. And it's got to be right. Good luck, Tom

[mygirlsdad77]

RIGHT ON, MARK! I honestly could not agree more.

[procmkirschner]

Forget it and you I am licensed bonded and insured. I don't do much plumbing at all the guy that's does the plumbing has been pulled out of state so I'm screwed and I don't trust craigslist. "Thanks for the help"

[mygirlsdad77]

Its great that you are licensed bonded and insured for your trade. However, if you are not a licensed PLUMBER, and a licensed ELECTRICIAN, then you are breaking the law by doing any electrical or plumbing work for anything other than your own dwelling. You may be a carpenter, or general contractor that is insured bonded blah blah blah, but leave the other specialized trades that actually require a license to do that specific work. You will run a much more successful business if you do what you do best and hire out the rest. You can either be a master of one trade, or a Jack of all. Not trying to be harsh here, just trying to give you some insight. You may be one heck of a good builder, framer, drywaller, etc, etc, so stick to what you know, and keep doing a great job at it. But you don't want to tarnish your good name as a good skilled person by doing a trade that will make people complain about that specific work, right? All Im saying is stick to what you know you can do correctly and legally, and leave the rest to the folks that can do the other stuff correctly and legally.

[speedball1]

I am licensed bonded and insured

You're licensed for what trade?

Thanks for the help"

We didn't help. We busted your chops over your lay out. If you're in the trades you just got to know some plumbers to come in and help. How did you ever think this would pass inspection? You were planning on pulling a permit weren't you? So now that you know that your layout won't fly, what's next? Regards, Tom

[mygirlsdad77]

This is kind of funny, really. Normally we would just answer the question, give our best advice and move on. Im trying to figure out what is so different about this series of post's. I think I know. We are here to help people with their OWN plumbing problems. We are not here to teach people how to go out and make a profit by doing plumbing when they have no business doing plumbing. The only real loser in this scenario would be the unsuspectful home owner that thought they had hired a pro and ended up unsatisfied. We are all in the trades not only to make money, but also to do the best job we can for the customer.

[speedball1]

Kind of harsh but Lee speaks for all of us. Call in some pros and save yourself a big headache and a possible law suite. Good luck, Tom

[procmkirschner]

This is the reason I am asking to learn how to plumb a basement correctly and under code. I am asking online, shops and stores to Learn how to. Sorry but most people can't afford to go to school so like me I have learned throughout the years how to wire a house from nothing and eventually reading many books and running many jobs I learned the trade from experience and now I'm licensed for it. Plumbing obviously no I am reading my Plumbing books and taking advice from licensed plumbers but this is why Im here to ask simple questions to learn the trade. When I get ahold of my other plumber I will ask him to but until then all I wanted was advice so If you all don't want to help than fine forget it. But no one has any room to critique anyone as a builder, framer, drywaller, plumber, electricain etc... because that person had to learn from experience and for some people by making mistakes. Since I only had one person give me advice I will try it. If it does not pass insepections fine no big deal I will redo it at my own expense. At least Im trying to learn. Every job I do per framing I have inspected, electrical I have inspected, Plumbing I have inspected and the final inspection so obviously if I am trying to be more successful I will try it myself and eventually learn and save money which to me and 5 million other people its fine to do. So thanks for your thoughts, comments and concerns I will choose not to ask anyone again.
Thanks

[procmkirschner]

You're licensed for what trade?
We didn't help. We busted your chops over your lay out. If you're in the trades ya just gotta know some plumbers to come in and help. How did you ever think this would pass inspection? You were planning on pulling a permit weren't you? So now that you know that your layout won't fly, what's next? Regards, Tom

Layouts already done permits are already pulled. The plumber than pulled the permit and was pulled out of state so now I'm screwed. He said get some advice try it if it doesn't pass you learn from your mistakes if it takes you a few times than fine as long as its correct and passes. I pulled the permit on the framing, drywall(and yeah you need a permit in my county of Indiana now) and the electrical. I have known this lady for many many years and she's perfectly fine with it.
And I do know about 4 plumbers but there to busy around here to come find 10 minutes of there time to show me what to do, or even do the job(which was fine by the plumber that pulled the permits because I'm not stepping on anyone's shoes). Im doing everything correctly but in the mean time trying to learn. I don't know why everyone is being so difficult about this. They had to learn from somewhere right?

[procmkirschner]

Oh I forgot to add, I did learn how to do it. Its simple and easy. Very easy I just blew it out of proportion because I have never vented like this.

That is all, Thanks for the few trying to help.

[procmkirschner]

Procmkirschner said, "I am remodeling a basement and the person asked me frameout drywall plumb and run elect. No biggy, but I am confused on one part"...

I'd say it is quite a "biggy" here as you are confused on more than one part! In fact, if you are confused this much by the plumbing I have to wonder about your ability to SAFELY wire the job as well!

I'm sorry to bust ya here, but in my opinion, you could kill you or the homeowner if something goes wrong with the electrical...never mind any issues with the plumbing and insurance, etc...;)

I hate to see you lose money, but I just wanted to pop in and STRONGLY suggest that you talk the homeowner into hiring someone that is familiar with plumbing and electrical (and is insured). I think the homeowner would respect that!

Just my two cents!

Good luck!

Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the idea. Its what I had planned in the beginning but none of them would show up. But I do know where your coming from I just want to learn and I do know the lady so she's fine with it. All of its being inspected several times so nothing will be done incorrectly.

[speedball1]

This is the reason I am asking to learn how to plumb a basement correctly this is why Im here to ask simple questions to learn the trade.

And there is your problem. While I applaud your desire to learn and books are a important tool in basic plumbing this isn't the way to learn our trade./ It takes years working with experienced plumbers as a helper or apprentice before you can go off on your own and in my area if you're not a licensed plumber you're not allowed to do work in someone else house.
Our function is not to teach plumbing. I don't think it's possible to learn plumbing , or any other trade. Over the internet. You need "hands on" experience, We field plumbing complaints from all over the world. That's what we do.
The best advice I can give you is to contract a licensed plumber to come in to do the work and you stay on as a helper to cut labor costs.
While we symphonize with your situation and would really like to help what you ask is impossible. Good luck, Tom