[tomder55]

I love you loonies, but you guys are crazy, and completely out of step with reality! And don't expect an apology!!

Hey mods... do you consider this civil discourse ? Come on ! There are 2 of you active on the OP . When will this personal attack be addressed ? When I respond in kind ?

[Wondergirl]

Hey mods ...do you consider this civil discourse ? Come on ! There are 2 of you active on the OP . When will this personal attack be addressed ? When I respond in kind ?

It's a discussion board, the comment doesn't seem to be rude or disrespectful, is more tongue in cheek, but report it if you think it crosses the line. I'm in the thread so cannot action it.

[tomder55]

Tongue in cheek ? No it isn't .

[talaniman]

Clete ,I have little sympathies to the morons sensibilities who have listened to their clerics slander and defame Judaism with 'blood libel' and other outrageous charges since the founding of their religion.If they dish it out they should expect to get some in return. But instead of defending our freedom of expression and thought ;this adm has gone on with it's apology tour ;and is actively seeking to prosecute the author.

For a parole violation and you have not decried his despicable piece of crap either.

That's what this is about. You lumping their loony right with the sane and sensible and calling them all the same.They are NOT! Then you get mad when I do the same to you? Unreal!!

[Wondergirl]

tongue in cheek ? No it isn't .

I certainly wouldn't call it disrespectful. I've had nastier comments leveled at me on this board.

[tomder55]

For a parole violation and you have not decried his despicable piece of crap either.

Nor have I heard you decry a Hollywood production about Jesus hanging on a cross dying and lusting after Mary Magdalene at the same time. When you see Christians rioting and killing over that then perhaps your comment would have some relevance.

[talaniman]

My point was there is no difference between a muslim, christian, or jewish right wing loony. Or an atheist one for that matter.

You all engage in soaring rhetoric, spew hate, and denigrate any who disagree with you. Because you are free you think you have arrived, and cannot see others are going through what we have been through.

What? We didn't spill blood along the way?

[tomder55]

That's because you believe in moral equivalence . That is ;you see no difference between an individual act and riots and murder in multiple cities over an alleged slight. You see no difference between a Coptic Christian making a silly video and an undeclared policy of the government in power to exterminate Coptics or drive them out of the country .

[paraclete]

Clete ,I have little sympathies to the morons sensibilities who have listened to their clerics slander and defame Judaism with 'blood libel' and other outrageous charges since the founding of their religion.If they dish it out they should expect to get some in return. But instead of defending our freedom of expression and thought ;this adm has gone on with it's apology tour ;and is actively seeking to prosecute the author.

And so he should be prosecuted, this is hate mail in whatever form, just because it is masquadering as art doesn't exempt it. Thing is the consequences of his comment has got people killed, making him an accessory to murder before the fact. Your anything goes policies reaps this sort of thing, but you aren't often the ones who pay the price, so yes your administration should decry the act and prosecute all the offenders this is justice, it may not be the american way but it is justice.

Look Tom Mudhutmad was a desert madman who convinced people to go to war in the name of God, they overran half the world and that war continues 1400 years later. These are a tribal people, unsophisticated and culturally niaive. You don't go prodding such people with a stick

[talaniman]

that's because you believe in moral equivalence . That is ;you see no difference between an individual act and riots and murder in multiple cities over an alleged slight. You see no difference between a Coptic Christian making a silly video and an undeclared policy of the government in power to exterminate Coptics or drive them out of the country .

What I see is fundamentalist muslims stirring crap from propaganda, hatred and lies. Much like the white supremist who shot up the Sikh temple.

[tomder55]

Nope not even close... it only would be equivalent if Wade Michael Page had done his act with the prompting of the rulers of the nation . But that is not the case . He is a criminal . So on one hand you have a lone murderer who went on a rampage before he offed himself . Had he lived ,he would've been arrested ,prosecuted ,and convicted for the crime he committed .

On the other hand you have clerics in multiple nations stirring up mob violence for political motives .

Sorry ;your equivalence doesn't work ;but I understand that it is that thinking that leads the President and his Sec State to apologize for our freedoms. .

[talaniman]

Okay where is the link that shows Obama, and Clinton apologizing?

[paraclete]

Sorry ;your equivalence doesn't work ;but I understand that it is that thinking that leads the President and his Sec State to apologize for our freedoms . .

Tom your idea of freedom is wrong, freedom is not doing anything whether if offends anyoneelse or not, freedom is not suffering oppression, of being able to make reasonable decisions of how you will live within a community or alone. Freedom is not being a law unto yourself but living with respect for law and others.

What was apologised for was the action of some individual which offended religious sensibilities of others

[tomder55]

Clete you don't know .These same hypocrites would tell you that a publicly funded art exhibit depicting a cross in urine ,or a dung-covered Madonna is freedom of expression . The ONLY difference is that Christians don't riot and murder over it. Their apology is not sincere . No not at all. Evita said "The U.S. deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others,"... "Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation" . You'll wait a long time before she ever apologized for the examples I just cited . It is the progressives who instead use taxpayer dollars to underwrite such outrages .
No ;their apology is a public display of weakness in an attempt at appeasement.

[Wondergirl]

a dung-covered Madonna

You didn't understand the meaning behind that?

[talaniman]

That was no apology, especially when she condemns the violence in the next statement

Hillary Clinton's Statement on the Attack in Libya - Yahoo! News

Why can't you produce the apology, or stop repeating Mitts lies!

[paraclete]

Clete you don't know .These same hypocrites would tell you that a publicly funded art exhibit depicting a cross in urine ,or a dung-covered Madonna is freedom of expression . The ONLY difference is that Christians don't riot and murder over it. Their apology is not sincere . No not at all. Evita said "The U.S. deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others,".... "Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation" . You'll wait a long time before she ever apologized for the examples I just cited . It is the progressives who instead use taxpayer dollars to underwrite such outrages .
No ;their apology is a public display of weakness in an attempt at appeasement.

Tom you have no commitment to religious tolerance if you permit such offensive material in your midst. Religious tolerance means not deliberately offending any group, not allowing people to promolgate offensive material for profit, as I said you have the idea of freedom backwards, freedom is not freedom if you bully or tread down any group. Freedom is not a Scotsman on a hill showing his arse and shouting they will never take our freedom

You speak about appeasement, but you can't because your nation invaded another nation to appease what, the voices of liars and decievers in your midst. As I have said I have noted that the muslims in the US are not protesing in a violent manner and yet we have to bear the consequences of your freedoms, you know what I say; B#ullshlt! Get your act together america,

[tomder55]

You didn't understand the meaning behind that?

No ,I don't understand a sacred Madonna surrounded by profane pronography ,female genitalia ,and elephant dung shaped in the image of cherubim and seraphim.I understand it is art .I understand it was offensive . I did not understand why it's exhibit was funded publicly .

The big difference I see here is the reaction . No one said Ofili didn't have the right to paint it . No one said he didn't have the right to display it.No cleric or national leader called for his death . No cleric or public official whipped the population into a violent fury. There was instead a court case to prohibit the display using public funds... a case that was lost . So my tax dollars paid for the display of a blasphemy .

[tomder55]

As I have said I have noted that the muslims in the US are not protesing in a violent manner

Perhaps since they have escaped the oppression of their society ,they understand freedom better than you .

[paraclete]

No Tom unlike their brothers here they cower knowing what will happen to them if they dare do it there. You think our police response was brutal well I'm sure they understand that your national guard would subdue them probably with gunfire. Perhaps you didn't get the more militant type from Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan there but we have them here, courtesy of a displacement that you instigated in your continuing war against Islam