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    Oct 2, 2010, 09:23 PM
    How's my plan - covering over ceiling box, installing new recessed lights
    Hi,

    Renovating my bathroom, and would like to know if there is anything wrong with the following plan, or any improvements that could be made. Bathroom is on the 2nd of 2 floors, and I do have attic access. I am in Alberta, Canada.

    • Right now, I have a ceiling light in the bathroom (which is currently this ugly "globe" thing from the 80's.
    • I want to get rid of it, and then install 2 4" recessed light cans
    • So, in order to accomplish this I envision drywalling overtop of the existing junction box after removing the light, and capping off the wires
    • However, I would tie one of the recessed cans into that light, and then the 2nd recessed can into the first's junction box
    • The recessed cans are "new construction" insulated cans. I don't believe this to be a problem given the fact that I have attic access. The trim is "shower safe".


    Thanks. I really appreciate the help.
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    Oct 3, 2010, 05:01 AM
    The issue is not to bury or make inaccessible any splices or capped wires. Since you have an attic, any junction box would be considered accessible.

    "New construction" insulated cans are intended to allow to be in contact with any insulation, even covered with insulation.
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    Oct 3, 2010, 06:24 AM

    Hi Macdian...

    Why is the trim "shower safe"? In Massachusetts, if you are installing a light in the shower it needs to be GFCI protected. If you are simply installing shower trim because of the wetted environment then you are fine.

    In terms of the junction box, turn it around up in the attic and get a cover plate for future accessibility.

    Let us know about the "shower trim", OK?

    Mark
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    Oct 3, 2010, 06:45 AM
    Mass, what Code requires a shower light to be GFI protected? It does not exist in the NEC, it may be required by the CEC,

    In USA , it would only need GFI protection if required by manufacturers instructions.
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    Oct 3, 2010, 07:09 AM
    Mass, I decided to use the shower trim because of the fact that there is no window or great ventilation in the bathroom. Had considered putting it above the shower, but decided against that.

    Thanks to everyone for the responses. Sounds like it shouldn't be too hard. Was looking last night at the "new construction" cans I bought, and they have only a very slight lip where the can meets the drywall, so it should be fine to cut the hole needed from above and then gently "push" it through the opening so it's tight.
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    Oct 3, 2010, 07:26 AM

    Hi TK...

    In Mass. it is required... I'll try to post the requirement as soon as I can get my hands on the book.

    I see from other forums that some inspectors push for GFCI protection of shower light, but as you said, it not being in the NEC causes some interesting arguments out there!

    I'll post back...

    Mark
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    Oct 4, 2010, 06:38 AM
    OK, I thought it might be a local code.

    A very wise one I might add.

    Even if not required, I would protect any light fixture in a tub or shower area with a GFI.

    Good example to illustrate that anyone doing electrical work should always check with local city and state codes, as they all are able to implement changes or waivers to the National codes.
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