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NeedKarma · May 19, 2010, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

Ok guys if we are getting offended,

I don't we are. To quote kitkat:

"It is sad when people go along with any thing just to fit in and not offend any one. I think if you preach the word and people are offended at least they are listening and you have touched a nerve in their heart or they wouldn't respond."

Aurora_Bell · May 19, 2010, 12:46 PM

Ok, I'll take that, just wanted us to stay on track. I didn't want it to turn the other way.

dwashbur · May 19, 2010, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

Ok guys if we are getting offended, than we need to take a step back and breath. This is an excellent thread and I would hate to see it turn the wrong way.

For once, we agree ;) I'm definitely not offended; it takes a LOT to accomplish that, usually involving personal insults toward a member of my family or something. About the only thing that really sets me off any more is deliberate lying, and I haven't seen any of that here. So everything's cool on this end, for what that's worth.

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 12:49 PM

Lake of fire? For my husband, hell is waiting in line at a store and there are never-ending price checks and credit card problems with the customers ahead of him, hell is a never-ending crowded birthday party where he has to socialize with everyone there, hell is eating leftovers every night for supper, hell is going to a parade every day and watching fireworks every evening (he hates both).

If there is a hell, I believe it will be tailor-made for each individual.

Kitkat22 · May 19, 2010, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I don't we are. To quote kitkat:

"It is sad when people go along with any thing just to fit in and not offend any one. I think if you preach the word and people are offended at least they are listening and you have touched a nerve in their heart or they wouldn't respond."

NK.. I'm not going to argue OK? I was speaking generally and if it offended you then I suppose I have made my point. I won't argue this with you. I will however unsubcribe from this thread. It isn't because of you I will do that. I have other post to respond too. I have not or will I ever apologize for being a Christian and for my beliefs. Thank you Classy T and it's like Bella said we don't a bunch of people messing up this thread. Thanks and Blessings to all of you. Blessings to you NeedKarma.

classyT · May 19, 2010, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

I did not read any of the other answers but here goes.

Who do I think will go to hell? Can not say, it is not my place or my judgment to make.

Now the definitions of hell has different meanings for different people.

Even the word hell itself the meaning has changed over many years.

The original prayer that I used to pray in church. The part that said Jesus died, descended into the dead and rose in three days. That is today's version. Years ago it was worded Jesus descended into hell and rose in three days. Hell could be merely meaning death, or the grave...

As well. Hell another definition is that people create there own hell and there own separation from God. After there death. they recreate and relive their worst nightmare.

There is books that are included in the Catholic version of the bible that are not excepted by all denominations which talk about the seven days after death for the righteous and seven days of the evil and what they see and the steps they take. It is pretty cool to read and makes sense.

Hmmmm? Interesting Joe. VERY interesting.

However, 13% of what Jesus had to say concerning hell doesn't say we get a second chance. Believe you me, I would LOVE that. I have dear people in my life who are atheist.

But consider these verses: Revelation 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

What do you make of that. It sounds to ME... in whatever state we die.. we stay in that state. Or do you think I have that wrong... I don't know? Any thoughts?

NeedKarma · May 19, 2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kitkat22

... if it offended you then I suppose I have made my point.

I wasn't offended, I was simply pointing out the dangers of stating beliefs such as hell as being in the same league of facts as the existence of the sun and the moon, it tends to weaken the statement a lot. No one is arguing. Feel free to return anytime. :)

NeedKarma · May 19, 2010, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

That is interesting. It is imagery or it is literal? Is there an actual fiery lake of sulphur somewhere?

Aurora_Bell · May 19, 2010, 01:13 PM

What's considered to be sexually immoral?

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

What's considered to be sexually immoral?

I'm a Christian. My mom's a Christian. My son's a Christian. If you asked each of us, you'd get three different answers.

Aurora_Bell · May 19, 2010, 01:21 PM

WG, thanks for solidifying my theory about "open for interpretation".

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

WG, thanks for solidifying my theory about "open for interpretation".

Heck, even Dave and classyT would have differing opinions!

Aurora_Bell · May 19, 2010, 01:26 PM

Right, I agree, have you read back?

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

Right, I agree, have you read back?

I've been reading the thread since it started (along with 40,000 other threads). What should I be aware of?

classyT · May 19, 2010, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Heck, even Dave and classyT would have differing opinions!

True WG... but in Dave's defense... it's because he isn't as smart as me. AND... we cannot condemn a person for being slow witted.:p

Bella, I believe the bible concerning the sexually immoral would be anyone who was living in a sexual sin according to the Bible AND hadn't had their sin washed away by the Lord Jesus. Because truly, I have done most of the sins listed in that verse. And lets be real? WHO among any of us hasn't lied? ( well maybe George Washington but... you know what I mean.) :D Incidentally what I am MOST concerned with in that verse is the second person mention... just a unbeliever.. YIKES. :eek:

NK.. I believe it is a real place. There is more descriptions other than revelation, if like WG and Dave, you don't take that book literal. (revelation I mean)

(Dave chime in here anytime)

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

True WG... but in Dave's defense... it's because he isn't as smart as me. AND... we cannot condemn a person for being slow witted.

Be careful, classyT, be very careful.

Bella, I believe the bible concerning the sexually immoral would be anyone who was living in a sexual sin according to the Bible

Present tense? Past tense? And what's a sexual sin?

if like WG and Dave you don't take that book literal

I didn't say it isn't literal. I said it's over and done with; the prophecies therein have been fulfilled.

Aurora_Bell · May 19, 2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I've been reading the thread since it started (along with 40,000 other threads). What should I be aware of?

Lol, just the discussion on whether religion can be interpreted.

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

lol, just the discussion on whether religion can be interpreted.

After attending Bible classes for years and years, I've come to the conclusion that no two people interpret the Bible the same way.

Wondergirl · May 19, 2010, 02:41 PM

For anyone, but using KJV, Acts 1:24-25: "And they prayed, and said , Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place."

This clause, "that he might go to his own place," is possibly referring, not to Judas, but to Matthias. In other words, what is meant is the "the place of this ministry" that he was to take, since Judas was no longer an apostle and, because of his suicide, had opened a place among the apostles for another disciple.

Dave might be able to shed light on this phrase, figuring out to which person in the verse it belongs/refers and how it should be interpreted.

dwashbur · May 19, 2010, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

True WG...but in Dave's defense...it's because he isn't as smart as me. AND...we cannot condemn a person for being slow witted.:p

Bella, I believe the bible concerning the sexually immoral would be anyone who was living in a sexual sin according to the Bible AND hadn't had their sin washed away by the Lord Jesus. Because truly, I have done most of the sins listed in that verse. And lets be real? WHO among any of us hasn't lied? ( well maybe George Washington but....you know what i mean.) :D Incidently what I am MOST concerned with in that verse is the second person mention....just a unbeliever.. YIKES. :eek:

NK..i believe it is a real place. There is more descriptions other than revelation, if like WG and Dave, you don't take that book literal. (revelation i mean)

(Dave chime in here anytime)

Uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh... what was the question?

You know how it is with us slow-witted guys...