[classyT]

Hheath,

LOL well, when you think it is going to be a scene from the Stepford Wives.. can't sayzzz I blame you. Lol :D

[Kitkat22]

Hheath,

LOL well, when you think it is gonna be a scene from the Stepford Wives..can't sayzzz I blame ya. lol :D

Seeing our loved ones who have left us is just part of it. Heaven is a reward for God's children. Imagine never having to part from those you love again. Never being sick and seeing Jesus every single day. I think I would like to ask questions about why this happened or why that happened, but in Heaven I don't believe I'll want too.


A minister who thinks it's wrong to preach about hell.. needs to re examine himself.
He should be worried about helping people avoid Hell rather than worry about offending someone.

Hell will not be boring... people who are there don't want anyone else to come to be with them. Most people think (if they believe in Hell) that you just die immediately consumed by the fire. That isn't true. The Bible says torment is eternal and where the worm die th not.

The rich man asked Lazarus( the tramp on the street) to go to his brothers and tell them of that awful place, to tell them not to come there. And he begged for one drop of water to cool his tongue. There will be eternal screaming and gnashing of teeth. The screams of agony will be worse than anything you could ever imagine.

Think about what John said about heaven... "eyes have never seen nor ears have never heard what our father has in store for us". No one can convince me there is no Heaven or Hell. I can't convince anyone who believes otherwise that there is. I won't try, because if God doesn't give me the words in my heart to write here to those who don't believe I would end up saying something to hurt someone.

I will pray for peoples hearts to be opened to the truth and I do love all of you.

[classyT]

[QUOTE=Kitkat22;2357952 if God doesn't give me the words in my heart to write here to those who don't believe I would end up saying something to hurt someone.

I will pray for your heart to be opened to the truth and I do love all of you.[/QUOTE]

Kit,

I don't want to hurt anyone either. I started the thread to see what people believe and or what they base that belief on. If there is a hell, who is going? Whether someone has chosen to post an answer to my question or not, I just wanted to discuss it. I have NO intention of hurting anyone or proving anything. I think you had it correct earlier when you said it was all about that 5 letter word ( LOL I counted it on my fingers first... ) FAITH. Perhaps I should have put this in the religion discussion board.

[Kitkat22]

Kit,

I don't want to hurt anyone either. I started the thread to see what people believe and or what they base that belief on. If there is a hell, who is going? Whether someone has chosen to post an answer to my question or not, I just wanted to discuss it. I have NO intention of hurting anyone or proving anything. I think you had it correct earlier when you said it was all about that 5 letter word ( LOL i counted it on my fingers first...) FAITH. Perhaps I should have put this in the religion discussion board.

No I think it's a wonderful thread. Who knows what may happen because of this thread. You are a blessing to me and I am so glad you started this thread. Someone may read this and it may change their life. Classy T there is a reason for this... I love it.. it makes me anxious to go to heaven and I thank you for putting that gladness back in my heart...

[dwashbur]

the vision of heaven i always got was more idealistic. i was taught that heaven is like earth, only more real. to me, that translated into a big outdoor place with trees and grass and open sky. everything was just a little too bright and the colors were a little too vibrant. there were people everywhere, wearing light colored clothes. they were either just walking around enjoying the scenery or talking quietly in groups.

there were no arguments or differences in opinion. there were no child running around (i was taught that everyone in heaven is without blemish and in the prime of health, which generally meant in their 20's). everyone was perfectly happy and loved everyone else.

you know what? i still think it's a boring place.

Those things you were taught are someone's opinion, nothing more. The simple truth is, nobody knows what it looks like or what it's going to be like (or is like, in the case of people like my sister who just recently went there). It's described as pleasant, as a place where people are happy. Everything else we have is metaphor and symbol, because our finite minds can't grasp the infinite. Me, I'm looking forward to exploring the universe, since I'm also an amateur astronomer. I've already told God that before he takes me there, I want to stop by Mars and check it out for a few days or more.

There was a thread on here not long ago asking what we think heaven looks like. I suggested that whatever is the most pleasant thing conceivable to you, it has an equal chance of being right. I could also go for a place where I can scuba dive for hours on end without running out of air or risking the bends.

Have you ever seen the claymation movie about Mark Twain? The two different heavens depicted there seem to sum up some people's opinion versus what the reality is likely to be. The one has a harp, a hymnbook and wings and dull music, where the other one is a nonstop party. I know which one I'll take!

[JoeCanada76]

I did not read any of the other answers but here goes.

Who do I think will go to hell? Can not say, it is not my place or my judgment to make.

Now the definitions of hell has different meanings for different people.

Even the word hell itself the meaning has changed over many years.

The original prayer that I used to pray in church. The part that said Jesus died, descended into the dead and rose in three days. That is today's version. Years ago it was worded Jesus descended into hell and rose in three days. Hell could be merely meaning death, or the grave...

As well. Hell another definition is that people create there own hell and there own separation from God. After there death. They recreate and relive their worst nightmare.

There is books that are included in the Catholic version of the bible that are not excepted by all denominations which talk about the seven days after death for the righteous and seven days of the evil and what they see and the steps they take. It is pretty cool to read and makes sense.

[Kitkat22]

I did not read any of the other answers but here goes.

Who do I think will go to hell? Can not say, it is not my place or my judgment to make.

Now the definitions of hell has different meanings for different people.

Even the word hell itself the meaning has changed over many years.

The original prayer that I used to pray in church. The part that said Jesus died, descended into the dead and rose in three days. That is today's version. Years ago it was worded Jesus descended into hell and rose in three days. Hell could be merely meaning death, or the grave...

As well. Hell another definition is that people create there own hell and there own separation from God. After there death. they recreate and relive their worst nightmare.

There is books that are included in the Catholic version of the bible that are not excepted by all denominations which talk about the seven days after death for the righteous and seven days of the evil and what they see and the steps they take. It is pretty cool to read and makes sense.

Hi Joe... I know the Bible was written many, many centuries ago and I don't believe it has changed. There is a Hell, a lake of fire and it it is as real as you or I. The Bible doesn't change Jesus said , Yesterday, today and forever he never changes. The bible has been changed to fit the purpose of man. The King James Version is the one I read. Hell may be a myth to some people but I honestly believe there are people there today who if they could come back and tell you about how horrible it is , they would.

It is sad when people go along with any thing just to fit in and not offend any one. I think if you preach the word and people are offended at least they are listening and you have touched a nerve in their heart or they wouldn't respond. Thank you ClassyT for this thread. Thank God for people who will not be swayed by others who mock and laugh at us for our beliefs. This shows me the Bible is real and Satan is real and he knows he has just a short time to woo the ones who will spend eternity with him.

Thank You God for saving a wretch like me. You gave me hope when I was hopeless.

[Aurora_Bell]

ok...you are in big trouble...i'm beatin ya up for that. lol lol

well, don't blame the barbaric stuff on Christianity. Blame it on stupid, evil people who kill in the name of Christ or Christianity. There is NOTHING in what Christ taught that was barbaric. Quite the opposite....Love your neighbor as yourself. don't get more peaceful than that.

People pervert things for their OWN agendas....been happening for centuries.

You are absolutely right. So would you say that part is open for interpretation? I mean after all who is the real sinner? Are all those 'barbaric s' going to Hell for killing for something they so whole heart-idly believed in? They really believed if they didn't kill in his name they were the sinners who wouold go to Hell.

Or are we going to pay the penance for not standing up for the man who saved our souls?


Hheath, ever hear that saying You Heaven is my Hell? That's something I really believe, I mean to spend eternity in someone Else's vision of heaven doesn't sound like much fun. I think Heaven is what you make it.

Heaven to me is a being at peace.

[NeedKarma]

There is a Hell, a lake of fire and it it is as real as you or I.

I mention it earlier, it's erroneous to say that hell is as real as you or I since hell is a belief and you and I are a fact that can be proven. Hell is a belief concept, in fact who says it is a lake of fire? It can be... if that is your belief.

[Kitkat22]

I mention it earlier, it's erroneous to say that hell is as real as you or I since hell is a belief and you and I are a fact that can be proven. Hell is a belief concept, in fact who says it is a lake of fire? It can be...if that is your belief.

I know what the Bible says and it has been around longer than any of us.
I don't think you or anyone would disagree with that. You have your beliefs and I have mine. You can't change mine and I can't change yours, so lets just agree to disagree. Nice to talk with you again.:)

[classyT]

Bella,

Anyone that murders in the name of Christ I would NOT own as a Christian. But only God knows the heart.

People have killed and slaughtered millions in the name of "religion". Not only christians and it is not right.

It is like the radical so called Christian bombing an abortion clinic. HELLLLLO! I'm not for abortion but for heaven sakes, the moron that bombed the clincs and kills the doctors and nurses were not acting on the behalf of the Lord Jesus... I promise you.

Believe it or not, Christianity isn't or shouldn't be a religion it is a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. If you have a real relationship with him, He will NEVER tell to go outside of what the Bible says.

I agree with what you said about heaven and peace.

Hold that thought... my son.just walked in the door starved. UGH. Save yourself... don't have bratty boys that you spoil rottten. :D

[NeedKarma]

I know what the Bible says and it has been around longer than any of us.

Man has been around on earth much longer than 2000 years. :)

[JoeCanada76]

Are you saying that what I am saying is wrong Kitkat?

The bible I read is the Kings James version as well, but there are depending on what denomination you come from other books are excepted as well.

Anyway, Thank you NeedKarma for some well needed balance.

I am not going to sit here and judge people or say that certain people should be or are in hell. I am not God, and it is not up to me.

Well looks like does not matter what I say here. It will get twisted into something that is not.

[Kitkat22]

I agree.. people have been killing for the sake of religion all through History. There are people who blow themselves up thinking their reward is waiting for them.

The Bible says. "the just suffer will suffer with the unjust". I see it happening everyday . I don't understand why innocent children are murdered and why there is war.

My one hope is this... when we get to heaven god will explain it all and he will wipe away our tears.

[dwashbur]

Man has been around on earth much longer than 2000 years. :)

I suspect kitkat meant "us" as in those of us having this discussion, but your point is well taken.

[Aurora_Bell]

Thanks for the insight Classy. Something I have been thinking about since you started this thread.

[Kitkat22]

Man has been around on earth much longer than 2000 years. :)

Yes I agree man has been around longer than 2000 years. Remember Adam and Eve and Moses and Daniel and David. They were here long before Jesus Christ was born. As I said I won't argue... I just don't need to do that anymore. I hope you know I wish you nothing but blessings, regardless to what you may think.

[Aurora_Bell]

Ok guys if we are getting offended, than we need to take a step back and breath. This is an excellent thread and I would hate to see it turn the wrong way.

This is why I say religion is open for interpretation. People interpret things in their own way, they always will. Yes there are things written in back and white, but there is always a grey area.

[classyT]

Thanks for the insight Classy. Something I have been thinking about since you started this thread.

What? Not having bratty boys that you spoil rotten or my thoughts on radical religion? :D

You are welcome... :)

[Aurora_Bell]

A little bit of column A, a little bit of B ;)