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sndbay · Jan 13, 2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by De Maria

What about the NT? Who was supposed to preserve it?

Historically Christianaity clearly is founded by Jesus through the church instrument of the Apostles. The Apostles wrote in written form the word of God. Thus we have the New Testament.

John wrote in the gospel, this is a disciple bearing witness to these things. We also confirm that each testamony was given by at least three each time. This would ensample the evident idenity of God's intervention for that which was written. The New Testament grew organically by the church under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit..

Noting that Christianity was not founded by the New Testament but rather by the Apostles instructions which is the summary of the New Testament.

The discoverage of the written inspirition of God is known as the Muratorian Canon which was dated 190, and discovered in 1740. By the end of the 4th century under the influence of St Augustine bishops met at the councils of Hippo and Carthage. They, at that time, accepted books known today as the New Testament. This further was worked by Martin Luther which brought about changes that eliminated some of the original books. After which when the council of Trent decreed on the matter in the sixteenth century it merely formalized what had been accepted for well over thirteen centuries.

arcura · Jan 13, 2009, 03:06 PM

sndbay,
The new Testament CLEARLY says the Jesus founded what He called "My Church" and the apostles did the work with Peter as the Jesus appointed leader.
Not only that but real authentic History also says so.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay · Jan 14, 2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
The new Testament CLEARLY says the Jesus founded what He called "My Church" and the apostles did the work with Peter as the Jesus appointed leader.
Not only that but real authentic History also says so.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred: My post in #21 says founded by Jesus,so I feel we agree...

By Christ, the right hand of God; the heart of flesh being the Love/Grace of God, was the corner stone that was the frame work that the Apostles and prophets were instructed to teach. And thus formed together an inhabitant for God. Their mind set within was directed in the heart of love for Christ, by the Holy Spirit. (Christianity) The two are connected as One with The Father... The church is the House of God that teaches Christianity..

Somehow people have to accept that Our Father reveals in the mist of the heart, mind and soul of each individual. It is those hearts, minds, and souls that find fellowship within the House of God and the teaching of Christianity.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];

Eph 2:21 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The question I answered was concerning the New Testament.. The New Testament grew organically by the church under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit..

arcura · Jan 14, 2009, 05:18 PM

sndbay,
Like Jesus I also pray for fellowship and unity for and with all those who love and followJesus.
Peace and kindness,'
Fred

Maggie 3 · Jan 15, 2009, 11:06 PM

Fred, There is a web site I think you might be interested in. It is called Gospel Research Foundation. Com. Dr. Brad Young, a professor at ORU and a well know bible scholar is rewriting the new testament and has a few chapters completed. He believes that there is wrong wording when it was translated from the hebrew to the greek. You can check it all out by going to his web site. Believe me it is worth it.

Maggie 3

arcura · Jan 16, 2009, 12:06 AM

Maggie 3,
If and when Dr. Brad Young get his done and if it is very well recognized by highly accredited bible scholars THEN I will be interested in his work, not before.
Many people have rewritten the bible to fit what they either think should be said or what they want it to say.
I'll stick with those versions of the bible that most well recognized scholars agree are very good and accurate.
I have 8 different versions of the bible and compare what they say as a way to study the bible.
I find that the ones that are most accurate are the New American Version, The New Jerusalem Bible, and the Revised Standard.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay · Jan 16, 2009, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Maggie 3

Fred, There is a web site I think you might be interested in. It is called Gospel Research Foundation. com. Dr. Brad Young, a professor at ORU and a well know bible scholar is rewriting the new testament and has a few chapters completed. He believes that there is wrong wording when it was translated from the hebrew to the greek. You can check it all out by going to his web site. Believe me it is worth it.

Maggie 3

Maggie, From what I have viewed of Dr Brad translation, it is worth reading. I particularly favored chapter 6 on baptism. Throughtout his writing the names/ Christ Jesus, for example were the given names/ Anointed One Yeshua.

If people are aware of certain translations that have disappeared from the original hebrew and greek text, then Dr Brad work is a glance of a small extent to what disappeared.

www.gospelresearch.org

Maggie 3 · Jan 16, 2009, 10:21 PM

Sndbay, I have got to know Brad Young from watching him on GLC TV. He has a program
Where he teaches and also tells about the bible he is writing. He lived in Isreal for 10
Years studying hebrew. Dr Young will be on GLC Saturday at 4:30 pm MT. You can watch
Him on the computer if would like. At ptcb.com
Just thought I would let you know.

Maggie 3

Akoue · Jan 16, 2009, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Maggie 3

he teaches and also tells about the bible he is writing.

Hi Maggie 3. I've seen you refer to this before and I was wondering what you mean when you mention the Bible he is "writing". Is he doing his own new translation, or is he writing a kind of summary or re-working of the Bible? I've seen these before, so I wondered if he is doing something like this. Do you know, I mean, has he said?

arcura · Jan 16, 2009, 11:26 PM

Akoue,
Very good questions.
I assumed he was translating a new version.
Fred

Maggie 3 · Jan 17, 2009, 01:50 PM

Akoue & Fred, I am sorry for the way I put it, I am not too
Good at explaining myself. It is my understanding he is translating the bible in an English
Wording, because words in bibles mean one thing in one language and something else in another, giving you a wrong view of what is really said. He has spent many years studying and working on this. But the best way to have a clear understanding of what is going on is go to his web site and read about it. I am excited
About this translation because I can get a better understanding of what the hebrew writers of the bible were really saying. And what a big difference it will make in our
Understanding of the bible.

Maggie 3

arcura · Jan 17, 2009, 09:34 PM

Maggie 3
There already is a bible out there that does that.
The Composite bible has several versions in it and shows the different meaning of words from other languages.
Sometimes the meaning of a word changes depending on the context of the passage or verse.
It is very good for bible study.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Peace and kindness,
Fred

arcura · Jan 17, 2009, 09:51 PM

seeker08
That is an interesting point.
Thanks for making it.
It calls for some pondering.
Peace and kindness,
Fred