[biscuit32]

I have an older house with non grounded outlets. I pluged my dyson vacuum into an outlet and it wouldn't turn on . The outlet has 120v with proper polarity and other things (fan light etc.) do work. The vacuum does turn on when plugged in an outlet within the same room.?

[mike 165278]

Does anything else work in the outlet?

[ma0641]

Maybe it is a switched outlet. Pull it out and see if the side tab has been taken off.

[alex the great]

Hi Guys!
Just purchased a new hot tub (pretty big) 93x93 can fit about 8 ppl….I was told that I needed cable #6 but my electrician installed #8 and told me not to worry about it should be fine, but now I was told that warranty is not covered if anything happens to hot tub if cable #6 is not used, should I be worried? Just wondering thanks

[tkrussell]

Who told you #6 was needed?

The electrician is responsible for wiring the unit correctly, as per manufacturers specifications.

Is there a permit for this job?

[mike 165278]

What is the load of the hot tub, and what size breaker is it on? Make and model of the hottub?

[alex the great]

Who told you #6 was needed?

The electrician is responsible for wiring the unit correctly, as per manufacturers specifications.

Is there a permit for this job?

It says it in the manual and the sales person at store also told me to go with #6 cable but electrician told me it's a waste of money, the #8 would work just fine... so I'm paranoid now and confused! I hope nothing burns out on the main board of the hut tub because of this! We fused it at 50amp inside the house

[stanfortyman]

If he ran NM cable inside the house then #8cu is NOT big enough.

[alex the great]

If he ran NM cable inside the house then #8cu is NOT big enough.

Even if the breaker is 60amp on the outside? Doesn't the braker protect the wire?

[mike 165278]

It says it in the manual and the sales person at store also told me to go with #6 cable but electrician told me it's a waste of money, the #8 would work just fine....so I'm paranoid now and confused! I hope nothing burns out on the main board of the hut tub because of this! we fused it at 50amp inside the house

If it's fused at 50amps, you need #6. Was a permit pulled? If so has it been inspected?

[stanfortyman]

even if the breaker is 60amp on the outside? dosent the the braker protect the wire?

This is the first I am seeing that there is a 60A outside. Either way, the 50A inside is protecting everything downstream on the circuit. The 60A is just asting as a means of disconnect.

[stanfortyman]

If it's fused at 50amps, you need #6.

Not so if the circuit is THHN/THWN conductors in conduit the whole way. #8 THHN is fine for a 50A circuit. Thing is, the instructions trump this code.

[alex the great]

Yes permit was pulled, so if it was fused at 50 inside the house the 8# wire should be changed to #6? Cause its working fine now, it's been 1 week... should I tell him to change to #6? Please help!

[mike 165278]

yes permit was pulled, so if it was fused at 50 inside the house the 8# wire should be changed to #6? cause its working fine now, it's been 1 week.....should i tell him to change to #6? pls help!!

If it's #8 thhn in pipe it's legal, but if the manufacturer says to use #6 that supercedes the NEC ampacity chart. It's your call.

[alex the great]

OK thanks, 1 more question please... do u think the #8 will cause damage in the long run? What would you do? Just wondering and thanks so much for your help!

[mike 165278]

ok thanks, 1 more question please...do u think the #8 will cause damage in the long run? what would you do? just wondering and thanks so much for your help!!

The #8 won't 'hurt' the hot tub. But it will void your warranty. Me, I'd wire it according to the manufacturer's spec's, and use #6. Did the electrician tell you he was going to use #8 before hand?

[alex the great]

Yes he did cause it would save me money that way

[alex the great]

That what he told me :)

[mike 165278]

yes he did cause it would save me money that way

At that point he's off the hook. If you want it re-wired, you're going to have to pay for it to be redone. Just so you know you probably only saved a hundred bucks or so going with #8.

[alex the great]

Yeah that sounds right, about $100 but what I'm thinking more about is that the electicien was maybe lazy or trying to cut corners cause the #8 wire was ALREADY there! I had an old spa replaced with a NEW ONE that's why I called him, and he said we can just use the 8you already have and save money! That way we won't need to do the hole wireing again, know what I mean? But I regret it now... the manuel says use 6 wire, I'm upset and paranoid, what if I get inspected?