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robjabo · Feb 10, 2012, 01:33 PM

I am currently working on expanding my basement bathroom to include a shower, and I'm trying to do most of the work myself. My existing bathroom had a toilet connecting to a 4 inch main under the concrete, and a vanity, which connected to a drain coming down from the 2nd floor from the kitchen sink.

Now I am adding the shower, and the fixtures will be located in the following order from left to right (see pic): shower, toilet, vanity, main waste line.

I can run the vanity the same way as the old setup (attaching to the kitchen drains) or I can include it with the shower and toilet in the basement underground plumbing.

Do you guys have any recommendations on how I should proceed? I am especially concerned about venting.

speedball1 · Feb 10, 2012, 01:48 PM

Would it be possible to connect the shower drain to the vanity drain where it will be wet vented? Back to you, Tom

massplumber2008 · Feb 10, 2012, 05:31 PM

Robjabo said,"and a vanity, which connected to a drain coming down from the 2nd floor from the kitchen sink."

He also said, "I can run the vanity the same way as the old setup (attaching to the kitchen drains) or I can include it with the shower and toilet in the basement underground plumbing"...

Here, if you want to WET VENT the toilet and shower using only the one vent then you CANNOT connect into the kitchen sink drain pipe. Here, you must run a 2" drain for the vanity and the shower and use a 2" vent to vent the whole bathroom. This vent must connect into a 2" or larger vent upstairs somewhere... ;)

Questions? Just let us know, OK?

Mark

robjabo · Feb 10, 2012, 05:52 PM

If I keep these 3 basement fixtures as their own group, run them all underground together into the line on the right (where the toilet was located before), can I vent the system using an AAV? Or am I going to have to run a vent to the roof?

I guess what I'm asking is: Is there a way I can set these 3 fixtures up to use an aav in the vanity cabinet and that be their only source of venting?

massplumber2008 · Feb 10, 2012, 06:05 PM

HI RJ

If AAVs AND WET VENTING are "code legal" in your area then yeah, you can get away with the one vent/AAV for the whole bathroom group! The AAV under the sink is critical as the AAV MUST remain accessible for future swap out should the AAV fail in the future, right?

Check out the picture below. The only issue that is important in my area is that the WYE for the shower/sink/vent must roll above the centerline of the drain line for the toilet. The sink drain/vent needs to be picked up off a wye, too!

Back to you...

Mark

robjabo · Feb 10, 2012, 06:31 PM

Mark,

I am planning on the order of the fixtures being shower, toilet, vanity. Does that pose a problem or can I rig the plumbing to make it work that way?

My township uses 2009 International Residential Building Code and it appears at first glance that the use of AAV is permitted.

robjabo · Feb 10, 2012, 06:34 PM

http://publicecodes.citation.com/ico..._31_sec014.htm

This is where I am reading about the codes for anyone else that might be reading this topic.

massplumber2008 · Feb 10, 2012, 07:03 PM

It's definitely a lot more complicated than drawn above... may need two AAVS... ;)

I'd stick with the toilet where it is, but that is up to you, of course!

Mark

robjabo · Feb 12, 2012, 01:30 PM

What about this layout? I could run the waste from the vanity in the wall behind and tie into the system between the shower and toilet? I could put the AAV in either spot in the diagram. Or am I totally off base with that idea?

massplumber2008 · Feb 12, 2012, 01:37 PM

That won't work Rob... leaves the toilet unvented.

I'll post a proper drawing in an hour or so, OK?

robjabo · Feb 12, 2012, 01:42 PM

Sounds good. Thanks for all of the help.

massplumber2008 · Feb 12, 2012, 02:02 PM

See if this makes sense (see picture)... ;) You can use only one AAV, just be sure it is under the vanity!

If this seems complicated then leme know and I'll draw this up using two AAVS... but you will need an access panel for the shower AAV,OK?

Back to you (I'll check back in an hour or two).

Mark

robjabo · Feb 12, 2012, 02:32 PM

I took another stab at it. The white outline is a wall between the shower and toilet. Was planning on adding that anyway to close off the shower a little bit. If I bring up an AAV into that wall cavity and provide an access panel to it, would that work? Of course I would still have one in the vanity as well.

mygirlsdad77 · Feb 12, 2012, 03:30 PM

I would go with Marks idea. Yours still leaves the toilet unvented. Wish I knew how to draw up diagrams, as you are pretty close, but would need to run the shower drain into a wye rolled above center on the toilet drain, which would act as your toilet vent, as well as your shower drain. Maybe Mark is thinking the same thing?

massplumber2008 · Feb 12, 2012, 04:32 PM

You can do it either way as presented below... either way, must connect one of the drain/vents (shower or sink) into the toilet drain. Again, the drain/vent wye must roll above the center of the toilet drain.

mygirlsdad77 · Feb 12, 2012, 04:35 PM

I like the second diagram. Mark, maybe sometime when we have actuall time, you can give me the low down on doing these drawups.

massplumber2008 · Feb 12, 2012, 04:50 PM

Glad to Lee... not much to it once I show you! I'll be in touch!

mygirlsdad77 · Feb 12, 2012, 04:51 PM

Sounds good.

robjabo · Feb 12, 2012, 06:37 PM

Mark,

I think I'm going to try and set it up according to the attached picture you posted. I added some more labels to that picture... does what I added seem correct?

massplumber2008 · Feb 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

Make that 90 degree elbow a 45 degree fitting into the toilet elbow and you sized all perfectly! The AAV can be removed if you ever need to snake the drain line OR you could add a cleanout tee fitting under the cabinet, too (most plumbers do the cleanout tee).