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    Dec 15, 2008, 02:22 PM
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    Let me ask a question, my nephew has lived with me and his father since the day he was born. She left when he was 2, gave my brother full custody 2 yrs but had visitation rights, which she used twice. She has not seen or attempted to reach him Since Jan 06. She does not pay child support. Legally, can parental rights be taken away from her.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 02:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    Let me ask a question, my nephew has lived with me and his father since the day he was born. She left when he was 2, gave my brother full custody 2 yrs but had visitation rights, which she used twice. She has not seen or attempted to reach him Since Jan 06. She does not pay child support. Legally, can parental rights be taken away from her.


    No, she cannot be (legally) stripped of her rights.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 05:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    No, she cannot be (legally) stripped of her rights.
    What would we have to do to strip of her parental rights which she does not use anyway.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 05:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    What would we have to do to strip of her parental rights which she does not use anyway.


    Re-read what has been posted - you cannot strip her of her rights. She is the child's mother and cannot lose her rights under these circumstances.

    You cannot strip a natural parents of her rights. There is no such provision under the Law.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 06:17 PM

    Anyone else out there that can shed some light? Has anyone experienced this? I am thinking along the lines of abandonment.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 06:25 PM

    Grounds for Termination of Parental Rights New York -


    At what age is a child old enough to decide for himself which parent he would like to live with?
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    Dec 15, 2008, 06:34 PM

    Her parental rights cannot be "stripped" as you put it. Why doesn't he go after her for child support? There are deadbeat mothers as well as deadbeat fathers out there. Why should she just be able to dump her kid on him and expect to skip free down the road? I have seen way too any of these women who have kids and then dump them on anybody that will take them. These mothers need to pony up some money to take care of their children.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 06:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    Her parental rights cannot be "stripped" as you put it. Why doesn't he go after her for child support? There are deadbeat mothers as well as deadbeat fathers out there. Why should she just be able to dump her kid on him and expect to skip free down the road? I have seen way too any of these women who have kids and then dump them on anybody that will take them. These mothers need to pony up some money to take care of their children.
    Because she does not work and if she did it would be a minimum wage job. $30 a month is really not going to make a dent. Sometimes it's best to just leave well enough alone. Kind of like" If it's not broke don't fix it". I really would just like to adopt him and make it official.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 06:44 PM

    He already has a father. How could you adopt him?
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    Dec 15, 2008, 06:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    He already has a father. How could you adopt him?
    He can have two parents. I would be his mother. If God forbid something would happen to his father, I would not have to worry about having to fight for custody. With the courts being what they are today, even though she has not done a thing for him, she would fight for custody if she thought she could get a monthly check. That's the type of ingrate she is.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 08:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    Anyone else out there that can shed some light? Has anyone experienced this? I am thinking along the lines of abandonment.
    The bottom line here is that courts are VERY reluctant to grant a TPR. Generally, they will only do so to clear the way for an adoption or if the parent represents a danger to the child. An involuntary TOR is even harder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    Grounds for Termination of Parental Rights New York -


    At what age is a child old enough to decide for himself which parent he would like to live with?
    A child is never old enough. Until a person reaches 18 only a judge can decide with whom the child can live. A judge will listen to a child's preference, but the judge will make the decision based on what they feel is best for the child.
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    Dec 15, 2008, 09:29 PM

    If your brother has full custody and the mother has visitation and no custody. Then you and your brother can call the court and ask if he can petition the court to give you joint custody.

    My ex brother-in-law had full custody of my nieces and they came to live with me and my husband until they got situated and got their own place. We went to the courts so that I could become legal gaurdians over them so that I could legally sign documents wherever it concerned my nieces while he was at work. We were told the only way it could be done is for him to either give me custody or joint custody, he agreed on the joint custody.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 06:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cindy6464 View Post
    If your brother has full custody and the mother has visitation and no custody. Then you and your brother can call the court and ask if he can petition the court to give you joint custody.

    My ex brother-in-law had full custody of my nieces and they came to live with me and my husband until they got situated and got their own place. we went to the courts so that I could become legal gaurdians over them so that I could legally sign documents wherever it concerned my nieces while he was at work. we were told the only way it could be done is for him to either give me custody or joint custody, he agreed on the joint custody.
    I'm curious as to where this is, because in my experience, custody is something cranted only to a legal parent. Guardianship, however, can be granted to a non legal parent.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 06:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cindy6464 View Post
    If your brother has full custody and the mother has visitation and no custody. Then you and your brother can call the court and ask if he can petition the court to give you joint custody.

    My ex brother-in-law had full custody of my nieces and they came to live with me and my husband until they got situated and got their own place. we went to the courts so that I could become legal gaurdians over them so that I could legally sign documents wherever it concerned my nieces while he was at work. we were told the only way it could be done is for him to either give me custody or joint custody, he agreed on the joint custody.
    Cindy are there any forms that have to be filled out prior to this? Also, we don't know where his mother is. The phone numbers we have for her have all been disconnected with no forwarding numbers.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 07:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    Cindy are there any forms that have to be filled out prior to this? Also, we don't know where his mother is. The phone numbers we have for her have all been disconnected with no forwarding numbers.
    You are probably going to want a lawyer, not just a form. It's a pretty complicated situation with the mother not being around.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 07:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    Cindy are there any forms that have to be filled out prior to this? Also, we don't know where his mother is. The phone numbers we have for her have all been disconnected with no forwarding numbers.
    Also laws vary from state to state. Unless Cindy lives in the same area as you do, her advice may not be applicable.

    But, this is a complex issue and you really should consult an attorney to prepare the paperwork.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 07:51 AM

    Right now we have a living will that if my brother should predecease me while my nephew is a minor, custody would go to me. Should we die together and he is a minor, custody would go to our cousin. My brother has full custody. Is this binding? I live in NY.

    I spoke with a lawyer several years ago and she told me that should his mother contest this, the burden of proof for custody would be up to her and in the meantime he stays with me until the court decides.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 07:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    Right now we have a living will that in the event that my brother should predecease me while my nephew is a minor, custody would go to me. Should we die together and he is a minor, custody would go to our cousin. My brother has full custody. Is this binding? I live in NY

    A living will is a health care directive. It has nothing to do with custody.

    If custody is mentioned in the living will, it is not valid so, no, it's not binding, even in NY.

    "A living will is a legal document that a person uses to make known his or her wishes regarding life prolonging medical treatments. It can also be referred to as an advance directive, health care directive, or a physician's directive. A living will should not be confused with a living trust, which is a mechanism for holding and distributing a person's assets to avoid probate. It is important to have a living will as it informs your health care providers and your family about your desires for medical treatment in the event you are not able to speak for yourself. http://www.alllaw.com/articles/wills_and_trusts/article7.asp"
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    Dec 16, 2008, 08:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    A living will is a health care directive. It has nothing to do with custody.

    If custody is mentioned in the living will, it is not valid so, no, it's not binding, even in NY.

    "A living will is a legal document that a person uses to make known his or her wishes regarding life prolonging medical treatments. It can also be referred to as an advance directive, health care directive, or a physician's directive. A living will should not be confused with a living trust, which is a mechanism for holding and distributing a person's assets to avoid probate. It is important to have a living will as it informs your health care providers and your family about your desires for medical treatment in the event you are not able to speak for yourself. http://www.alllaw.com/articles/wills_and_trusts/article7.asp"
    I meant a will. I apologize for confusing the two.
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    Dec 16, 2008, 08:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildie View Post
    I meant a will.
    Doesn't matter. Custody cannot be granted in a will. Guardianship can be, but only if both legal parents are dead.

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