[tomder55]

Or let's put it this way... Arianna Huffington is warning Barack the centrist not to throw Barack the lib under the bus.

Arianna Huffington: Memo to Obama: Moving to the Middle is for Losers - Politics on The Huffington Post


The one thing that stands out that is really driving them nuts is his declared support for the FISA compromise.
Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program

This of course is a flip from the position he took in the primaries .

"I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty."

Moveon.org is calling on Obama to honor his pledge to filibuster the compromise when it comes to a vote in the Senate
MoveOn.org Political Action: Democracy in Action

I would advise them to not hold their breath . My guess is that he will find a way to skip the vote like he did last time when he was too busy campaigning for the Potomic primaries.

[spitvenom]

Yeah Im not happy about this. But what are you going to do vote for Mcain HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[tomder55]

Yes . I am not a big fan of McCain's by any means .But Obama is a camillion.

[speechlesstx]

Yeah Im not happy about this. but what are you gonna do vote for Mcain HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Um... yes.

[tomder55]

If that angers you spitvenom theny you'll love this one

Obama to expand Bush's faith based programs

[speechlesstx]

if that angers you spitvenom theny you'll love this one

Obama to expand Bush's faith based programs

It's a bird, it's a plane, it's... EVERYMAN!

[tomder55]

What a day!
I haven't even had time to deal with the disgusting Weasely Clarke's comments . But I did notice in Obama's patriotism speech he did manage a smack down of Moveon.org.'s General Betrayus snipe.

"most evident during our recent debates about the war in Iraq, when those who opposed administration policy were tagged by some as unpatriotic, and a general providing his best counsel on how to move forward in Iraq was accused of betrayal.”

Is that a move to the center ;a sista soulja moment ,or did he really throw moveon.org under the bus ?

Evita is saying I told you so

[spitvenom]

if that angers you spitvenom theny you'll love this one

Obama to expand Bush's faith based programs

It is BS to hire or fire someone because of their religion. But I am not angered by either one of these decision's. He has to do what he needs to do to win. I look at Obama as just another Politician. I can see people getting angry if they didn't look at Obama as just another politician but he is. And if you are gullible enough to believe everything that comes out of a politician's mouth that is your own fault. Sadly I think a lot of people look at Obama as Superman which we all know isn't true. He is just a politician. But he is still better then a Republican!!

[tomder55]

I look at Obama as just another Politician.

Me too . As I said ;I'm just watching the onion skin peeling away all the hype.

[Choux]

Crashing in Vietnam and being held and tortured is not a qualification to be President!! See #3!!

MCCAIN IS A TOTAL CAMELEON!
MCCAIN, ER MCBUSH, ***THE CAMELEON***

1. He opposed tax cuts to the wealthy; now supports them

2. Sponsored major campaign finalcial reform in a bill that bears his name; now against.

3. Was firmly against torture; now for torture.

4. Has been on both sides of the ethanol issue, for and against.

5. Has been on both sides of state promotion of the confederate flag; for and against.

6. Has been on both sides of overturning Roe v Wade; was against, now for.

7. Criticized religious right with comments like”agents of intolerance”; now sought
Support of Haggee and other right wing hatemongers.

8. Was against sending more troops to Iraq before he was for it.

9. Was against OFFSHORE DRILLING A MONTH AGO(May 08)NOW FOR
DRILLING OFF CALIFORNIA AND FLORIDA

There are three pages of McCain flipflops, these are just some of them. :D

He's a piece of crap with no integrity whatsoever. He would do or say anything to be President.

Scum.

[George_1950]

And Obama on Iraq: "Obama zigzags on Iraq [Pete Hegseth]


Recent reports and rumors have indicated that Senator Obama plans to aggressively move to the middle on Iraq in the coming months. This is a good political move for Obama, if only because he's finally starting to recognize reality. However, it's no surprise that he will continue to try and have it both ways: moderating his withdrawal language without giving any credit to surge/Petraeus advocates.

Take his speech yesterday in Unity, NH. Standing alongside Hillary, Obama said,

“We can follow a policy that doesn't change whether violence is up or violence is down, whether the Iraqi government takes responsibility or not; or we can decide that it's time to begin a responsible, gradual withdrawal from Iraq.”

This was the meat of his Iraq comments, lasting less than one minute.

Just months ago, Obama clamored for an “immediate” withdrawal, regardless of the situation on the ground; today, his withdrawal would be “gradual.” Maybe he was channeling Hillary Clinton, or maybe he finally realizes that very few people—except the MoveOn crowd—want an immediate withdrawal. His website, I should note, still touts an “immediate” withdrawal."
The Corner on National Review Online

[BABRAM]

If half of the speculative moves toward the middle become true for Obama, I wonder what the McCain camp will do?? If they (McCain campaign) distance themselves they stand a good chance of looking even more like the Bush admin, but if he stays or becomes more moderate the conservative Republican base will really be out of sorts this election.

[tomder55]

Choux using Weasely Clarke's talking points again ? Of course he ran for President solely on his military experience. Oh yeah... he was a General so he was a decider.. . He had no respect from his peers ,his Sr. Officers ,and the people who served under him .One of his senior NATO commanders outright refused to follow his orders because they would've lead to WWIII . He was fired as NATO commander.. . but he is qualified to make comments about McCain's service ?

[speechlesstx]

He's a piece of crap with no integrity whatsoever. He would do or say anything to be President.

Scum.

Such hatred...

[Choux]

Five years of *your fascist guys hatred and propaganda* I put up with.

You have scum running for President on the Fascist ticket... you get bent out of shape when I point that out.

Pathetic.

[tomder55]

If you don't believe us then how about the Wall Street Journal... and if not them then Huffpo and the Kossak Markos Moulitsas himself .

Glen Greenwald at the "progressive " Salon Magazine details some of the problem that the nutroots are having with Obama:

The choices Obama makes about how he campaigns and the positions he takes are extremely consequential in how political issues in this country are perceived. In the last two weeks alone, Obama has done the following:

*intervened in a Democratic Congressional primary to support one of the worst Bush-enabling Blue Dogs over a credible, progressive challenger;

* announced his support for Bush's FISA bill, reversing himself completely on this issue;

* sided with the Scalia/Thomas faction in two highly charged Supreme Court decisions;

* repudiated Wesley Clark and embraced the patently false media narrative that Clark had "dishonored McCain's service" (and for the best commentary I've seen, by far, on the Clark matter, see this appropriately indignant piece by Iraq veteran Brandon Friedman);

* condemned MoveOn.org for its newspaper advertisement criticizing Gen. Petraeus;

* defended his own patriotism by impugning the patriotism of others, specifically those in what he described as the "the so-called counter-culture of the Sixties" for "attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases, the very idea, of America itself" and -- echoing Jeanne Kirkpatrick's 1984 RNC speech -- "blaming America for all that was wrong with the world";

* unveiled plans "to expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and -- in a move sure to cause controversy . . . letting religious charities that receive federal funding consider religion in employment decisions," a move that could "invite a storm of protest from those who view such faith requirements as discrimination" -- something not even the Bush faith programs allowed.

The Obama campaign's past two weeks - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com


Here is the Wall Street Journal's observation that it is actually Obama who is "McSame" :

We're beginning to understand why Barack Obama keeps protesting so vigorously against the prospect of "George Bush's third term." Maybe he's worried that someone will notice that he's the candidate who's running for it.

Bush's Third Term - WSJ.com

Huffpo's Arianna Huffington warns Obama against tacking to the center :

In an interview with Nina Easton in Fortune Magazine, Obama was asked about having called NAFTA "a big mistake" and "devastating." Obama's reply: "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified."

Overheated? So when he was campaigning in the Midwest, many parts of which have been, yes, devastated by economic changes since the passage of NAFTA, and he pledged to make use of a six-month opt-out clause in the trade agreement, that was "overheated?" Or was that one "amplified?"

Because if that's the case, it would be helpful going forward if Obama would let us know which of his powerful rhetoric is "overheated" and/or "amplified," so voters will know not to get their hopes too high.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Memo to Obama: Moving to the Middle is for Losers

Moulitsas the Kossack has decided to stop contributing to Obama's campaign. :

Maybe what looks like cowering to me is really part of that "moving to the center" stuff everyone keeps talking about. But there is a line between "moving to the center" and stabbing your allies in the back out of fear of being criticized. And, of late, he's been doing a lot of unecessary stabbing, betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician. Not that I ever bought it, but Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides. That's not an indictment, just an observation.

Daily Kos: State of the Nation

[George_1950]

The fallout continues (who does this Obama dude think he is, anyway?): USATODAY.com

[tomder55]

What will happen is that enough of his base support... mayby 6-8% will vote for Nader ,and some of the Evita supporters are definitely going to peel away and vote for McCain.

On the Republican side fewer than 3% will join Bob Barr . This could be 2000 all over again ;a dead heat decided by a swing state or 2 .

[Wondergirl]

Here's an article from someone who was there with McCain:

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain

And no, tomder, Wesley Clark was right on! Don't take his words out of context and change what he said, like the media has been doing.

[NeedKarma]

Here's an article from someone who was there with McCain:

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain

And no, tomder, Wesley Clark was right on! Don't take his words out of context and change what he said, like the media has been doing.

Good link, thanks.