[tomder55]

A letter to my cousin in Iraq.

Well now I've seen it all.

The allies of jihadistan in the Supreme Court today performed a coup de gras on the Bush Adm.efforts to wage GWOT. In this case they overruled a decision that was also supported by Congress.

The ruling invalidates portions of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which created military tribunals to hear the cases of those held at Guantanamo.
The decision was 5-4, with Justice Anthony Kennedy joining the four liberal justices on the court.
Writing for the majority opinion striking down the Military Commissions Act, Kennedy wrote, "The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times."

ABC News: Blow to Bush: Guantanamo Detainees Have Rights in Court

What the hell is he talking about ! He has just indicated that US Constitutional rights are to be granted on a global basis rather than just to US residents and citizens .

Habeas rights have never before been granted to foreign enemy captured on a foreign battle field. I agree with Bradford Berenson who said of the decision:

"The Court's decision today will deepen and complicate an already ridiculously complex and disordered morass of litigation brought by foreign terrorists against our government," said Bradford Berenson, former associate counsel to President Bush from 2001 to 2003. "The decision will magnify the already heavy litigation burdens on our government and, because it is limited to detainees held at Guantanamo, may increase the pressure on the government to close that facility. The available alternatives -- bringing al Qaeda leaders such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to the continental United States or sending them back to detention facilities closer to war zones -- are less desirable and less safe for everyone. Such are the perverse and unintended consequences when the courts fail to afford appropriate deference to the political branches in sensitive national security matters."

This destroys the tribunal system at least . So now what ? Why not just have the moonbat judges in the San.Fran 9th Circus court hear the case and appoint an ACLU lawyer to their defense pro-bono ?

The ruling states that Congress cannot act to suspend habeas except through the Suspension Clause ;which states that Congress CAN suspend habeus in times of invasion or rebellion. To my way of thinking ,9-11 was an invasion... or did I miss something in translation ?

Justice Scalia wrote in dissent :

Today the Court warps our Constitution in a way that goes beyond the narrow issue of the reach of the Suspension Clause, invoking judicially brainstormed separation-of-powers principles to establish a manipulable “functional” test for the extraterritorial reach of habeas corpus (and, no doubt, for the extraterritorial reach of other Constitutional protections as well). It blatantly misdescribes [sic] important precedents, most conspicuously Justice Jackson's opinion for the Court in Johnson v. Eisentrager. It breaks a chain of precedent as old as the common law that prohibits judicial inquiry into detentions of aliens abroad absent statutory authorization. And, most tragically, it sets our military commanders the impossible task of proving to a civilian court, under whatever standards this Court devises in the future, that evidence supports the confinement of each and every enemy prisoner.
The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today. I dissent

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-cont...06/06-1195.pdf

Right on!!

Be prepared to start training your troops on the proper way to read Miranda rights and grant them leave so they can testify at the trials .

Or I even have a better idea... set up all your equipment with the ability to blast Deguello from loud speakers to indicate no quarter . Why take prisoners at all ?

Tom

[Skell]

Face it Tom. The Military Commissions Act is a sham. I can't believe after all the adverse supreme court rulings, the struggles to prosecute anyone and now this you still think it is just! Gonzales should hang his head in shame for this one. The whole act should be invalidated. It basically already has been!

[Choux]

You sound hysterical.

Did you forget that people with rights can be found *GUILTY*?

America has the most desired freedoms of any country on earth... individual freedom from the power of the state. That is what makes America Great, and why folks like to immigrate here and citizens like to stay here.

It is always easy to talk about freedom and due process when times are easy, THE REAL TEST OF A COUNTRY IS HOW IT PRESERVES ITS CORE VALUES IN DIFFICULT TIMES.

Jihadist attacks on America since 911 are being handled very nicely by intelligence sharing, police work, snitches, surveillance, CIA activities, FBI activities... and, no thanks to Bush's war of Adventurism which has given just the motivation needed for Jihadist leaders to drive up the roles of membership in their various death groups.

Take a look at McBush's plan to *colonize Iraq* for its oil... think that will help any in our war against Jihadism??

NO IT WON'T. :)

__________________

[tomder55]

Skell
You shouldn't complain David Hicks is back in your custody . He is a "free man now ;but well... not exactly . His full rights have not been restored have they ? Why not may I ask if he was not guilty ?

[progunr]

Sorry Skell, what happened today is the SHAM.

I have already weighed in on this in another post, and it would only sicken me even further to go into it all again.

American Citizen rights given to terrorists.

I say we charge the justices that voted for this with TREASON.

This is obviously an action taken against our own government during a time of war.

I say it qualifies as treason plain and simple.

[Skell]

Skell
you shouldn't complain David Hicks is back in your custody . He is a "free man now ;but well .... not exactly . His full rights have not been restored have they ? Why not may I ask if he was not guilty ?

He wad forced to plead guilty in order to finally be released after 5 years of imprisonment without charge and then a further 2 year awaiting trial while the Government produced more bogus laws and charges to try and prosecute. Even the chief prosecuter on his case has now left the military and is highly critical of the whole process. He thinks it's a joke yet you still support it!

[tomder55]

Jihadist attacks on America since 911 are being handled very nicely by intelligence sharing, police work, snitches, surveillance, CIA activities, FBI activities... and, no thanks to Bush's war of Adventurism which has given just the motivation needed for Jihadist leaders to drive up the roles of membership in their various death groups.

What nonsense !

The very means that Bush has used to fight terrorism in the country has been widely criticized by the left . The methods you describe without the revisions since 9-11 led to the attack on 9-11 .

You don't think so ? FBI agent, Harry Sammit,pleaded with his superiors at FBI headquarters to be allowed to launch a nationwide manhunt for Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf Al-Hazmi, two of the hijackers of the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon , 3 weeks before 9/11. He was turned down by the lawyers in the National Security Law Unit of the FBI, who cited the FISA law that prevented this intelligence information from being used by the criminal division.

Sammit wrote in an email, on Aug. 31, 2001:

“Someday someone will die…and the public will not understand why we were not more effective and throwing everything we had at certain problems. Let's hope [the lawyers] will stand behind their decisions then, expecially since the biggest threat to us now, [bin laden], is getting the most protection.”

If Mohammed Atta had been picked up in Afghanistan while training for his mission to attck the US ;this decision would mean that he would be able to get himself an ACLU lawyer who would file all types of discovery for evidence the US could not surrender to the court lest it compromises other intel operations . He would most likey either get his case dismissed or tie up the courts at the tax payer expense for years .

Like I said in my other reply to you . This is possibly the goofiest most irresponsilbe decision in the history of SCOTUS .

[tomder55]

Skell

Consider your country fortunate that he has not done what other released detainees have done . Abdullah Al-Ajmi was released from Guantanamo in 2005. In April, he blew himself up in Iraq, killing 7 Iraqi security forces and maiming 28 others. You don't have the time to collect evidence beyond a reasonable doubt on a freaken battlefield ! His lawyer said he was doing charitable work in Afghanistan . Was that what Hicks was doing ?

[Choux]

Bush says that American soldiers are fighting for America's Freedoms, on the one hand..
Then, tries to take away American Freedoms with the other hand.

What is it angry white guys, Freedom or NeoConFascism??

Incidentally, American freedom applies to anyone in our country or anyone in our custody. Some of those Jihadist scum have been in captivity for six years without due process.

WHO SAID THAT DEFENDING REAL AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES WAS GOING TO BE EASY?

[Skell]

I don't know what he was doing but I doubt it was charitable. But the problem is that you guys don't seem to know what he was up to either.

Sure I understand you can't collect evidence on a battle field. But surely in 7 years one can produce something that stands up in court? But no. They couldn't! Because the Military Commissions Act is flawed and stinks!

[Choux]

Dear angry white guys... Tom, nothing is perfect in the world of violence, Jihadism, war... citizens are going to die, *that is a given*, the goal is to keep the numbers to the very least minimum.

[tomder55]

Skell I'm sure there was loads of evidence that we do not desire to release to a court. Evidence that if disclosed would compromise methods of collection or sources. That is why cases like this cannot be adjudicated in civilian courts where the burden of proof is overwhemingly in favor of the defendant. That is why so many of the detainees at Gitmo have already been released.


Choux ,the burden you would place on the system would make it come crashing down .The terrorists use the system against us Khalid Sheik Mohammed told his interrogators that he would say something to them after he saw his NY lawyers. Well after he got a little wet he began to sing like a canary. He provided substantiated intel that severely has undermined al-Qaeda's operation.

Yes I would've preferred the process to be swifter . But it has been the ACLU lawyers ,the Democrats and the court who have slowed the process down. Now they complain about the time it takes ? Gimme a break !

[tomder55]

angry white guys

Didn't you hear ? We aren't angry anymore we are "bitter " clinging to guns and bibles . :>

[excon]

Skell I'm sure there was loads of evidence that we do not desire to release to a court. Evidence that if disclosed would compromise methods of collection or sources. That is why cases like this cannot be adjudicated in civilian courts where the burden of proof is overwhemingly in favor of the defendant. That is why so many of the detainees at Gitmo have already been released.

Hello tom:

If the burdon of proof is sooooo overwhelmingly in favor of the defendant, how come we have more people in prison than China or Russia where they don't have any rights at all.

No tom, you DRANK the Kool Aid, and you have a stain on your face.

excon

[tomder55]

Beyond reasonable doubt...

Is that how we should judge the actions of terrorists on the battle field ?

[excon]

beyond reasonable doubt ...........

is that how we should judge the actions of terrorists on the battle field ?

Hello again, tom:

If we're going to execute 'em, you betcha! What?? Just a rumor is enough to knock 'em off?? To you, and your side, it is. But, not to me, and not to reasonable freedom loving people around the world.

Yup... What flavor did you drink? Grape?? Yeah, it's all over your face.

excon

[tomder55]

Take no prisoners.

[progunr]

take no prisoners.

AGREE!

Give them a burial, instead of a trial.

Works for me.

[excon]

Hello again:

This, from the NY Times, says it all:

"Justice = 5 ; Brutality = 4

There is an enormous gulf between the substance and tone of the majority opinion, with its rich appreciation of the liberties that the founders wrote into the Constitution, and the what-is-all-the-fuss-about dissent. It is sobering to think that habeas hangs by a single vote in the Supreme Court of the United States — a reminder that the composition of the court could depend on the outcome of this year's presidential election. The ruling is a major victory for civil liberties — but a timely reminder of how fragile they are."

excon

[progunr]

The last real example of brutality that I can recall, was seeing an American, BEHEADED and broadcast on Al-Jazeera television.

The very animals that contribute to this TRUE brutality, are the ones we just granted
Constitutional rights to.

I see nothing to celebrate,and find it disgraceful that anyone would.