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    May 15, 2008, 09:07 PM
    J1 Tax Treaty for short-term scholar
    Hello,

    I am now a full-time PhD student at UK. I will go to USA for an internship from 15 July 2008 to 15 November 2008, with a J1 visa of the "short-term scholar" category. I now have the following questions about the tax:

    1. Am I exempt from US income tax for the 4-month intern period under the US-UK tax treaty 20(A)?

    2. Suppose that I would, after my graduation in July 2009, go to USA again for a postdoc position with a J1 visa. Am I again exempt from the US income tax for the postdoc period, but this time under the US-China tax treaty Article 19 (I am a citizen of China)?

    Thank you very much in advance!

    Leo
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    May 15, 2008, 09:17 PM
    1. On your visit to the U.S. during 2008, you will be covered by the U.S. and China tax treaty and not the U.S. and U.K. tax treaty as you are a China citizen and your visa is on your China passport.

    2. Your one year during 2008, will reduce or wipe out your 3-year tax free as researcher when you visit the U.S. in 2009. You must do more research about this.
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    May 15, 2008, 09:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MukatA
    1. On your visit to the U.S. during 2008, you will be covered by the U.S. and China tax treaty and not the U.S. and U.K. tax treaty as you are a China citizen and your visa is on your China passport.
    Thank you for your prompt answer, MukatA!

    I have done some research on this topic. I think the US-UK tax treaty will apply to me for the visit in 2008, because I am considered as a resident of UK according to the UK tax law (I paid tax in UK), and I am not liable to tax in China and therefore I am not a resident of China concerning the visit in 2008. Am I correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by MukatA
    2. Your one year during 2008, will reduce or wipe out your 3-year tax free as researcher when you visit the U.S. in 2009. You must do more research about this.
    Will two tax exemptions under two different US tax treaties be considered as two separate one?

    Thanks!
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    May 15, 2008, 09:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by leinine
    Hello,

    I am now a full-time PhD student at UK. I will go to USA for an internship from 15 July 2008 to 15 November 2008, with a J1 visa of the "short-term scholar" category. I now have the following questions about the tax:

    1. Am I exempt from US income tax for the 4-month intern period under the US-UK tax treaty 20(A)?

    2. Suppose that I would, after my graduation in July 2009, go to USA again for a postdoc position with a J1 visa. Am I again exempt from the US income tax for the postdoc period, but this time under the US-China tax treaty Article 19 (I am a citizen of China)?

    Thank you very much in advance!

    Leo
    To make it more clear, I will go to IBM T.J. Watson in New York for the internship. Does it mean that in this case I am not eligible for the exemption because the research will not be conducted in an academic institute?
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    May 15, 2008, 10:55 PM
    You said you will be in U.S. in 2008 as intern. Intern does not mean researcher and you can not get benefit as researcher.

    Then you will be in U.S. in 2009 as researcher. As per treaty with China, a researcher does not pay income tax for 3-years. But your visit to U.S. in 2008 will reduce it to 2-years or to 0-years. Read about the tax treaty: Your U.S. Tax Return: U.S. Tax Treaties for Professors, Teachers and Researchers
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    May 15, 2008, 11:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MukatA
    You said you will be in U.S. in 2008 as intern. Intern does not mean researcher and you can not get benefit as researcher.

    Then you will be in U.S. in 2009 as researcher. As per treaty with China, a researcher does not pay income tax for 3-years. But your visit to U.S. in 2008 will reduce it to 2-years or to 0-years.
    Thanks!

    IBM Researcher's J1 visa program DOES NOT have a trainee/internship sponsorship category. So my understand is that my J1 visa category is short-term researcher, as indicated in the DS-2019 form.

    The problem now is that IBM Research is a commercial company, which makes me not qualify for the tax exemption. Right?

    The income for the 4-month at IBM Research in New York would be around $36,000. Could you please kindly give me a rough idea about how much will be deducted? This is my first visit to US and I don't know at all about the US tax.

    Thanks again!
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    May 16, 2008, 10:38 AM
    The exemption allowed to researchers will NOT apply for you, because your research is being done for a for-profit organization.

    You will be liable for federal and state INCOME taxes, but be exempt from FICA (Social Security and Medicare) taxes.

    You will NOT be allowed to claim the standard deduction, but will itemize. The biggest itemized deduction will be the state income taxes withheld from your pay.

    Your federal tax liability will be about $4,100.
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    Feb 25, 2009, 01:12 PM
    Hi... my case is also similar to this... I visited USA on J1 Short Term Scholar status.. and I am from INDIA... can I get total taxes paid as refund? As I have done in university which will come under research rather than training or intern...

    So will I exempt from taxes as applicable for researchers??

    Or else I got a salary of total 5000$ , Am I eligible for standard deduction of 5450$ so that there will be no need to pay any taxes??


    Please hep me... thanks...
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    Apr 23, 2009, 12:05 PM
    You can claim the standard deduction by claiming student status. It is less likely to be challenged by the IRS and has the same effect: a total refund of your withheld federal taxes.

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