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    Mar 23, 2008, 10:13 AM
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    Land of Da Free: Barack Obama: Unashamedly Exploitative and Unapologetically Wrong
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    Mar 23, 2008, 04:47 PM
    YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain



    "Luckiest Man in the Race
    For McCain, the best may be yet to come.
    By Fred Barnes
    03/31/2008, Volume 013, Issue 28


    John McCain is one lucky fellow. Of course you can make your own luck, as the saying goes. That's what McCain did with great courage to survive five-and-a-half years at the Hanoi Hilton. And he made his own luck again by advocating a surge of troops in Iraq that later proved to be successful.

    In winning the Republican presidential nomination, however, McCain has mostly been just plain lucky, no thanks to his own fortitude or foresight. Conservatives inadvertently aided him by failing to line up behind a single rival. Mike Huckabee ruined Mitt Romney's strategy by beating him in Iowa. And Rudy Giuliani helped by pulling out of New Hampshire and fading in Florida, allowing McCain to sneak ahead and win primaries in both states.

    Now Democrats are boosting McCain's chances of winning the presidency by prolonging the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination. "They are eating their own," says Morris, the onetime adviser to the Clintons. The result, for the moment anyway, is that McCain is inching ahead in polls matching him against Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    So long as Clinton stays in the race, the bitter divide among Democrats will widen--to McCain's advantage. And since Clinton still has a chance of winning the nomination, she's bound to continue her campaign at least through the Pennsylvania primary on April 22 and the Indiana and North Carolina primaries on May 6--and probably until the verdict of Democratic super-delegates becomes clear sometime this summer.

    No matter who ultimately wins the nomination, the prospects for electing a Democratic president this fall will have declined. And through no machinations of his own, McCain's chances of winning will have improved. There's a name for that happenstance: luck.

    For McCain, the best may be yet to come. If Clinton manages a come-from-behind victory over Obama, that could produce the dream election for McCain, one in which the Democratic party fails to unify behind its presidential candidate. Given the eagerness of Democrats to capture the White House after eight Bush years, that may seem farfetched. It's not. It's a real possibility.

    What if Obama prevails? He'll have been weakened by having had the "kitchen sink" thrown at him by the Clinton forces. With no significant ideological differences between Clinton and Obama, they've focused on his personal shortcomings: inexperience, habit of saying one thing while believing the opposite, unimpressive Senate record, lack of appeal to white working class and Hispanic voters.

    The Clinton attacks have begun to transform the popular image of Obama from that of an inspirational leader above the grubby fray of party politics to that of a normal politician. This should largely spare McCain from criticizing Obama on personal grounds and free him to concentrate on Obama's leftwing political views.

    Three scenarios are possible in the Democratic race. The most likely--and the one that helps McCain the least--is that the primaries end with Obama leading in both delegates and popular voters, prompting the super-delegates to tilt his way. Thus he wins the nomination, and the party unites behind him.

    The second scenario is Clinton's favorite. Her best chance of defeating Obama is to surpass him in the popular vote, then declare herself the true choice of Democratic voters despite trailing Obama in delegates. She has practically no prospect of overtaking him in delegates in the closing primaries. He currently leads by roughly 130 delegates.

    For Clinton, winning the popular vote won't be easy. Obama picked up 100,000 more votes than Clinton in the most recent contest, the Mississippi primary, and his lead is now 700,000. But there are enough big primaries left that it's achievable, all the more so if Michigan and Florida schedule do-over primaries.

    Obama's response is preordained: The primary campaign is about winning delegates, and I won the most. Those are the rules. Should the super-delegates side with Clinton, the entire Obama movement--and especially blacks--would feel cheated. Indeed, they would have been cheated. The likelihood of a party split would be significant.

    Scenario number three is similar to the first in that Obama wins the most delegates and votes. But rather than concede, Clinton contends that, since she's won most of the final 10 or 12 primaries (assuming this is the case), she's the real favorite of Democratic voters. Besides, she'll say, Obama can't win the big states and who knows what will emerge once he's been fully frisked by the media, and (assuming no do-overs) that she won in Michigan and Florida. In other words, all the bad things you've heard before from Clinton central. And then there's the Reverend Wright business.

    Calling this a desperate and party-shattering tactic by the Clinton forces would be putting it mildly. Are they really capable of it? Maybe not. But if they pulled it off, and Clinton swiped the nomination from Obama, the consequence is not hard to figure out. It's President McCain.

    McCain shouldn't count on that big a gift from Democrats. Luck can only take you so far. There's a saying in baseball that it's better to be lucky than good. Presidential campaigns operate a bit differently. To win, a candidate has to be lucky and good."


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    "Gallup Tracking Poll: Obama Regaining Support After Wright Race Speech
    March 22nd, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN

    Gallup Tracking Poll: Obama Regaining Support After Wright Race Speech

    Senator Barack Obama's campaign has gotten some good news — one of several bits of good news in recent days: a new Gallup tracking poll shows him on the rebound after the firestorm over his pastor's comments and Obama's heavily covered speech on race:

    Barack Obama has quickly made up the deficit he faced with Hillary Clinton earlier this week, with the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on Democratic presidential nomination preferences showing 48% of Democratic voters favoring Obama and 45% Clinton.

    Obama's campaign clearly suffered in recent days from negative press, mostly centering around his association with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Perhaps as a result, Clinton moved into the lead in Gallup's Wednesday release, covering March 16-18 polling. But Obama has now edged back ahead of Clinton due to a strong showing for him in Friday night's polling, perhaps in response to the endorsement he received from well-respected New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former rival for the nomination.

    The poll news could not come at a worse time for Clinton. Obama was on the defensive. But in recent days the media has begun to ask if it's now the beginning of the end for the Clinton campaign. You also have to wonder how Superdelegates will feel about one little political tidbit: the reportedly actively and recently sought Richardson's support, but once Obama got it a campaign spokesman said it didn't matter. Richardson fired right back saying it was “typical of some of his advisers that kind of turned me off.”

    Meanwhile, despite the thumbs down from some talk radio and cable show hosts, a CBS poll indicates that Obama's race speech general got good reviews.He did pay a price, though: fewer people now think he has the capacity to unite the country.

    Sixty-nine percent of voters who have heard or read about Obama's speech say he did a good job addressing the issue of race relations, and 63 percent of voters following the events say they agree with Obama's views on race relations. Seventy-one percent say he did a good job explaining his relationship with Wright.

    When registered voters were asked if Obama would unite the country, however, 52 percent said yes - down from 67 percent last month

    What remains for the Clinton camp? Although The Politico recently ran a piece saying Clinton has no chance and coverage is essentially now a media game, Clinton's chances still seem a bit short of what the must-read website called “a myth.” Even though the numbers are against her, if there is some huge revelation about Obama, his support could collapse and the Superdelegates might step in at the convention.

    But it's now the longest of long shots, particularly since the Richardson endorsement, which longtime Clinton friend and strategist James Carville likened to Judas betraying Jesus.

    The likelihood is that the campaign is going to get much rougher in coming weeks, as Clinton seeks to win Pennsylvania by a whopping landslide and overtake Obama in North Carolina. Obama, in turn, will work to narrow her margin in Pennsylvania and pull out all stops to win North Carolina.

    A big problem for Clinton: right now Obama has a decided edge in campaign funds. Which means when he wants to pull out all stops he has the big bucks to do it."

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    Mar 23, 2008, 07:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM

    Barack Obama has quickly made up the deficit he faced with Hillary Clinton earlier this week, with the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on Democratic presidential nomination preferences showing 48% of Democratic voters favoring Obama and 45% Clinton.

    Really? That's news to a whole lot of people! But you know, polls are like seesaws they go up and down and few, if any, are elected simply because of the polls. Look at what happened with TRUMAN!

    In order to truly guage the pulse of the public, you have to listen to what the public is saying because therein lies the key though they too can be changeable, just like the weather, and go to the opposite camp as things continue to develop for a particular candidate. The tough questions, therefore, CONTINUE for Obama and he needs to prepare or make up some new answers, fast!


    RealClearPolitics - Articles - The Speech: A Brilliant Fraud

    A big problem for Clinton: right now Obama has a decided edge in campaign funds. Which means when he wants to pull out all stops he has the big bucks to do it."

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    He can't depend on money alone to pull out all stops. It is ultimately People who are going to decide this race. If Obama tries to BUY this election, then the country will be unequivocally convinced that he was less than disingenuous about wanting real CHANGE! Therefore, let's put his money to the test and see some self-aggrandizement!
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    Mar 23, 2008, 08:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    He can't depend on money alone to pull out all stops. It is ultimately People who are going to decide this race. If Obama tries to BUY this election, then the country will be unequivocally convinced that he was less than disingenuous about wanting real CHANGE! Therefore, let's put his money to the test and see some self-aggrandizement!
    First the Republicans claim he's just rhetoric and now they fear he's buying an election. Last week it was Wright that became the issue, and somewhere in between all the nonsense was a claim that Senator Obama lacked experience. Your arguments are becoming even more lame. Obama's not trying to buy an election, what kind of nonsense is that? The Republicans invented 25k plate luncheons. Advertising is a normal part of campaigning in a national election. Remember, if Obama wins the nomination, McCain will get to reflect all his supporters arguments in a debate. Let's see how well that turns out for you. ;)
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    Mar 24, 2008, 06:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    First the Republicans claim he's just rhetoric and now they fear he's buying an election. Last week it was Wright that became the issue, and somewhere in between all the nonsense was a claim that Senator Obama lacked experience. Your arguments are becoming even more lame. Obama's not trying to buy an election, what kind of nonsense is that? The Republicans invented 25k plate luncheons. Advertising is a normal part of campaigning in a national election. Remember, if Obama wins the nomination, McCain will get to reflect all his supporters arguments in a debate. Let's see how well that turns out for you. ;)
    You actually now have the gumption to say Obama's not trying to buy the election??? Well, take a deep breath and just read these words for a minute that either come from you or else you didn't rebut them whatsoever when you included them in your previous post! If it was "nonsense", BABRAM, you should have disavowed that statement only you didn't! So, don't cry over spilled milk now!

    "A big problem for Clinton: right now Obama has a decided edge in campaign funds. Which means when he wants to pull out all stops he has the big bucks to do it."

    So, how hypocritical of you to now turn around and say that Obama's not trying to buy an election! You opened that door first, remember! By the way, what makes you think I am for McCain or a Republican?! Whenever there's a frontrunner, of either party, it is incumbent upon the public to question that person, grill them front and back to be sure they are the right person for such an important job. That's all there is to it.


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    Mar 24, 2008, 09:09 PM
    OK. I'd dearly love to see your point here. Can you make one? Please. Even Tom, whom I think is staunchly against supporting Obama on most issues, agrees that Obama's not buying this election. Of course Obama has an edge in campaign funds, I told you so. And it's because he's getting more support from people that desire change and he manages contribution money very well. But that doesn't equate to buying an election. You use the term like we are using third world country antics. As if Obama paid henchmen to stand over a cardboard voting box with slits all the while holding a gun to voters heads. :rolleyes:
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    Mar 25, 2008, 04:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    OK. I'd dearly love to see your point here. Can you make one?! Please. Even Tom, whom I think is staunchly against supporting Obama on most issues, agrees that Obama's not buying this election. Of course Obama has an edge in campaign funds, I told you so. And it's because he's getting more support from people that desire change and he manages contribution money very well. But that doesn't equate to buying an election. You use the term like we are using third world country antics. As if Obama paid henchmen to stand over a cardboard voting box with slits all the while holding a gun to voters heads. :rolleyes:
    My point being that you posted the sentence. You did not disavow knowledge of the meaning of the sentence nor challenged it nor distanced yourself from it. You had it up for all to read. This is not to say that Obama is actually "buying" an election, rather that *YOU* posted this, boasting about it and you should therefore, own up to it. When you include a statement like that, what are people to think! With money, being the main topic/thought in the sentence, I don't see how it could come any closer the way you have posted it. *But*, in retrospect, do you now feel that he could/would not do this at any point in time but rather just stick to debates and show what he would do vs. the others?
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    Mar 25, 2008, 04:48 AM
    SkyGem,
    Are you a democrat?
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    Mar 25, 2008, 11:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    My point being that you posted the sentence. You did not disavow knowledge of the meaning of the sentence nor challenged it nor distanced yourself from it. You had it up for all to read. This is not to say that Obama is actually "buying" an election, rather that *YOU* posted this, boasting about it and you should therefore, own up to it. When you include a statement like that, what are people to think! With money, being the main topic/thought in the sentence, I don't see how it could come any closer the way you have posted it. *But*, in retrospect, do you now feel that he could/would not do this at any point in time but rather just stick to debates and show what he would do vs. the others?
    I didn't boast about nothing of a sort. Maybe you are feeling some precarious emotions, but they are simply not resonating from my end of this discussion. I gave you facts about campaign contributions as it related to all candidates still remaining in the race. The general election debates are inevitable. Are you now blaming Obama for representing himself in the debates? :eek:
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    Mar 25, 2008, 04:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    I didn't boast about nothing of a sort. Maybe you are feeling some precarious emotions, but they are simply not resonating from my end of this discussion. I gave you facts about campaign contributions as it related to all candidates still remaining in the race. The general election debates are inevitable. Are you now blaming Obama for representing himself in the debates?! :eek:
    Don't obfuscate the issue with a question that is not germane to my response. You are very good at responding by throwing in red herrings!
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    Mar 25, 2008, 04:53 PM
    Snore...
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    Mar 25, 2008, 06:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell
    Snore........

    I hear you Skell, it was another McCain yawner.
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    Mar 26, 2008, 01:20 AM
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