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Ron Paul's alleged close associations with Neo-Nazis ?
I am looking for more collaborative evidence. I havee seen on a few sites including' Little Green Footballs' and the newspaper Lonestar Times and the Houston Chronicle about Paul's ties to Bill White of the 'American National Socialist Workers Party'.
A number of links led me to the following letter by White . But I am not inclined to believe it yet :
Comrades:
I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism. Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens. I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy. For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position. I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable. Bill White, Commander American National Socialist Workers Party Paul has denied the association but the Lone Star Times has been detailing the campaign contributions from Neo-Nazis for a couple of months now . Lone Star Times Can anyone collaborate or provide additional material ? |
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Go here:
Stormfront White Nationalist Community - Discussion Board for Activists He's supported by this group. There are many threads about him there, I'm sure you'll find plenty of info. There is links and ads for Ron Paul all over this site. I had heard he accepted a $500 contribution from Don Black (a White Nationalist) and had no plans to return or refuse the funds. I couldn't see your second link, it didn't work for me, so I apologize if I'm repeating info you already have. |
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Hello:
The Libertarian Party is filled with all sorts of right wing and left wing radicals and dingbats of all kinds. I'm sure the KKK who supported David Duke for president also support Ron Paul. I don't think that makes him a kluxer. But, it might. excon |
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Since you said Neo Nazi, I get to say Zionist. Ron Paul has exposed the real problem in America. They will, at any cost, stop Ron Paul from blabbing the truth. Haven't the Neo Nazis been classified as terrorist yet? Are they not part of the Axis of Evil yet or do they serve a greater purpose for the Zionist. FEAR, DECEIT and PROPAGANDA.
In the larger picture, the Neo Nazis are nothing. But of course, they know your first thought will be that of a huge pile of Jewish bodies. I do not equate that to Ron Paul. |
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 Originally Posted by magprob
Mag, what are you talking about? I'm usually pretty good at following you, but I can't figure out where this came from or what the point is? Because Tom asked for some sort of verification whether Ron Paul associates with white supremacists, you feel that it is necessary to mention and make accusations against Zionists? What's the connection between the two? What exactly is the accusation you are making regarding Zionists? What was the point of your post? Was it a defense of Ron Paul? Because if that was the point, and if you associate yourself with Ron Paul, you just made Ron Paul look like an anti-semite by force of your own rant. Elliot |
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Well as the letter I quote proves the 'American National Socialist Workers Party 'is quite real . And Bill White of course is best known for his open support for the Columbine murderers and as a Holocaust denier. I just don't think that is the type of person a legitimate Presidential candidate would want to have in his list of supporters.
If Zionism means support for the Jews to live in peace in Israel then I gladly call myself a Zionist. |
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Whether Ron Paul associates with white supremacists because they donated money to his campaign. You must think it does. Someone else must think it does by virtue of the news article. My real point is this: No, it doesn't. This is just more smoke and mirrors, propaganda by the people that are masters of propaganda, like you ET.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
ET, I love and respect the real Jewish people. The Zionist are not them. You know that already, you are a Zionist. I figured you out a long time ago. And tom just addmitted his afilliation. You can call it conspiracy, kookie or what ever but when Satan convinced the world that he did not exist, he pulled off his greatest victory. |
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First of all, Mag, I haven't given an opinion on whether Ron Paul associates with white supremacists. I was simply re-stating what Tom was asking. So you have no idea whether I think Ron Paul is a white supremacist or not. Your assumption is unfounded.
Second, you have made a very strong statement about Jews and Zionists. Would you care to explain your definition of "Zionist" to me? My definition of Zionist is and always has been a person who sees Zion (another name for Jerusalem) as the spiritual home of the Jewish people. Any person who has ever said the prayer "Return our eyes toward Zion with mercy" or "To Jerusalem your city, return with mercy, and dwell within her as you have spoken" is a Zionist. That pretty much means ALL JEWS are Zionists because pretty much ALL JEWS sees Israel as our homeland. Your definition, based on your rants, would seem to have some sort of basis in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion... that Zionists are a group of "fake" Jews who are out to control the world. But please feel free to correct this perception if it is wrong. As for threats, keep them to yourself. I may not think that Ron Paul is a white supremacist, but he's still an idiot. His foreign policy is in la la land. His fiscal policy has no basis in reality. He thinks the Fed is a global conspiracy to take over the world. He's an isolationist living in a global economy. He has nothing to say about fighting terrorism. His answer to megalomaniacs getting nuclear weapons is "let 'em, who cares". His answer to Russia going back to communism is "Let 'em, who cares." And he has no domestic policy whatsoever. The guy is an idiot. There's a reason that fringe groups flock to guys like him. If you think there will be "hell to pay" for me saying these things, then bring it on. Elliot |
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Ron Paul 2008 › Issues › Racism
I think I'll believe what he has to say, as much as what any other politician states about themselves and where they stand on the issues, or what others may say about him or imply about him via association. If other candidates take money from Rainbow Coalition are they any less racist than accepting money from neonazi groups? While I disagree with the neonazi, kkk, etc... agenda, We all know that it takes a lot of money to be competitive so why not take it if there is no quid pro quo. I think his stance on the 2nd amendment, illegal immigration, property rights, isolationist foreign policy is what appeals to these groups. |
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There are many things about the libertarian positions that appeals to me. Thanks for posting his views on racism .It answers a lot of my question.
Still I think it would be wise for him to definitively separate himself from the groups mentioned. Yes there is perhaps a double standard .I have not been shy at taking the shakedown Rainbow Coalition to task and to my knowledge do not support any of the candidates who have received donations from them (usually it is the other way around I believe in that you have to look at the list of donors to the coalition ). |
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Dear Tomder55,
While I doubt that Ron Paul is a racist or a Jew-hater, I do think he was very knuckle-headed in how he handled the contribution from Stormfront Webmaster Bill White. Ideally, a candidate with pro-limited government, pro-capitalist views should be independently wealthy and shouldn't be beholden to political contributions from anyone. I also agree with both you and ETWolverine regarding Paul's views. I agree with libertarian social and economic views, but full-on isolationism is pretty tunnel-visioned. It's like isolationism doesn't acknowledge that freedom can be threatened from governments abroad as well as our own government within our borders. A more suitable foreign policy for libertarians would be: "We start no fights with anyone, but if the fights are brought to us, we will finish them and we stand ready to do so." |
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