[JamesJB]

Ok here is my situation;

First off I would like to say is that According to my room mate the new landlords never gave him a new copy of the lease with his sig on it at all. I have never been on the lease in the 15 years I have been living here,and NEVER had any problems with the last 2 landlords. I have always paid my friend $420 out of my SSI check a month,his rent is paid by a place called Conference Of Churches,wich comes out of his SSD check automatically. The last landlord never renewed the lease so its een word of month ever since.

Ok here is the reason why I am here;

This all happened sometime in Sept. the landlord just finished working on the 3rd floor,he then came back after a week and asked if we would like to move upstairs and the rent would stay the same,my friend wich is the main person of the place agreed at first,I agreed also. Well we started moving some stuff up stairs,my friend /roomate started to move some of his stuff like pots and pans and some of his clothes etc.And I have moved most of my stuff up stairs all I need now is help to move the heavy stuff like my desk,computer tables etc. and also my friends dresser,bed,couch etc.

Towards the end of Sept. like 2 weeks,for some reason my roommate started getting depressed,wouldn't do anything etc. then like 3 or 4 days later he took a Overdose of Adavin,he took like 30 pills or more,he woke me in the morning sometime by crashing and falling to the floor he was out of it,I didn't know of the overdose till the next morning,according to him he took it like 2 hours after I went to sleep.Well I called the ambulance and he had to go to the hospotial and had to stay in the psych ward for like 2 weeks.

After he got out,during the 4 weeks he was out the land lord asked about 4 different times if he wants to still move up stairs well those 4 different times he didn't give the landlord a good answer.On thurday the 20th Oct. the land lord came and asked a 5th time,he had the help ready and everything to help us bring the heavy stuff up stairs,well the 5th time my roommate still did not give a straight/right of mind answer,so the land lord said he would be back a few days later wich was a Saturday,well on Thursday the 20th Oct. a few hours later like maybe around 8pm the landlords daughter shows up with her husband.

She says that she wants all the stuff that we had moved upstairs back downstairs,I said to her that I thought William was the landlord and I told her that he said on Saturday that he will have help for us to move the rest of the stuff upstairs,well she says "i dont care what he/my father said,im the landlord! he's just a person that helps around here" then she asks "how long do ya need to have everthing moved back downstairs?" I said at least a week cause those boxes I have are heavy etc. she agrees. She told me that if I don't have the stuff downstairs by Thursday the 25th that she is going to get the Police here or the constable here. She also asked me if I was sleeping up stairs I said yes and I told her that her father didn't mind me sleeping up there and using the electricity,She says "i no longer want you sleeping up there! and if i catch the light on up stairs i will call the police." She also said that she is going to have Social Services come in and break the bond between my Friend and I. Then I said to her that you can't cause Social Services only deals with children or children that live at the residence. Wich of course niether I or my friend have any children. She said she can and she supposaly did it 4 other times with other people.During this time I finnaly just got sick of her threats and asked her to leave,I had to ask her like 5 times. At this time I didn't know my rights so I didn't know I could call the police to have her removed.


She is also claiming that her father is sick of me,wich I can't really believe that cause I've been real nice to him,and been trying to work with him and my friend.And he's always seems very friendly to me and my roommate when he comes here.Like shakeing hands,smileing etc. all friend like. Well she finnaly leaves the apartment then goes upstairs wich I don't know why.

Well after she left maybe 15 20 min later,I realized she kind of scared me with all those threats, so I call the non emergency police communications place,and explained to them what I told you guys above, I told them she is only the daughter and not the landlord wich is true. They told me to not worrie and they think she is just trying to scare me (wich it did :( ) so after the conversation with them they told me to call the police desk and explain my situation and he said the same thing,not to worrie and to listen to William wich is the landlord. He also recommended that I go to the magistrate,I go to the magistrate and they also said don't worrie about her. They also said I should go down to the court house in the records department and get a copy of the deed. I did ask them if it was possible for me to get a Public Defender but they said at this time there really is no reason to. Also all party's told me if she comes back I should call the police right away and to NOT let her in cause she has no business to be on the property.Another thing all partys told me to do is to not move anything from the 3rd floor and to wait till the landlord shows up. By the way the landlord never showed up on Saturday guess he's waiting till the 25th Oct. cause of his daughter?

A day later on Friday I had to court commit my friend,I had to call crisis and they picked him up cause he was laughing for no reason,I mean he would just burst out laughing for no reason,then he started talking about Death,about needles,he became unpredictable,he was scareing me. (he was doing this for about 3 weeks it just got worse and worse) He was just out of it again but he didn't take a overdose,he wouldn't do a thing,he wouldn't take a shower,wouldn't take his meds for his mental condition,he would barely eat,barely sleep.by the way he was doing all that during the above when the landlord and daughter came. He was out of the hospital only for about 3 weeks.

BTW I did get that copy of the Deed and I found out the daughter isn't on it at all.Only William and his Wife Beatrice,the daughter's name is Sandra.

Im thinking on charging her with trespassing and getting a restraining order on her and her husband just in case he gets any ideas. Can I also charge her husband with tresspassing and get a restraining order on him? He didn't say a word through all this when she was here.


So guys overall do I need to worrie? I am a little afraid that if I have to have the daughter arrested I may have problems with the landlord,but I'm not going to just sit back and take this abuse from her.

Sorry I forgot to mention I live in Pennsylavania.

Thank you inadvance for the help/advice.

[msilva76]

I think you should move out of that building and move away from your friend too

[charlotte234s]

Well, all right. You need to get a copy of the lease and make sure that you are not breaking any of the things that are listed on the lease. If the daughter is not the renter legally, she cannot do anything to you. If you feel threatened by her and her husband, I would suggest talking to your legal renter (the landlord and his wife) to tell her to cease and desist, and if she does not, then yes, seek legal advice and maybe a restraining order or personal protection order. If you are paying your rent and are not breaking the agreements made in your lease, your landlord should not harass you, and definitely not his daughter.

Sorry you have all these problems, I've had 2 terrible landlords and I know how hard it is when the problem is threatening your security in your place to live.

[charlotte234s]

And the girl above me might be on to something, if you can't get these people to stop harassing you, you should probably move, and if your friend is causing your problems, it might be best to separate yourself from them in terms of your home.

[JamesJB]

There is no lease according to my friend,since the last landlord its all been word of mouth. And the new landlord hasn't given a copy with my friends sig on it either. I haven't been on a lease since I've been living here for 15 years. And according to the people I spoke to they said cause I've been living here for 15 years and have my name on the mail box I don't have to worrie. Just hope I understood them correctly. I pay the rent to my friend not the landlord,the rent is paid out of my friends SSD check automatically by his caseworker form Confrence of Churches.

I would move but I have no where to move to,no family,no other friends either.

It's the daughter that's giving me problems not the land lord himself.

[charlotte234s]

Well I would suggest looking for a new apartment that you can afford rent for anyway, since you don't really need any more problems with these people.

[JamesJB]

Hmm I thought about public houseing but I heard some bad things about those places. Are they bad I mean do people have problems with them? I also thought about H.U.D. but I hear the waiting list is like years.

[msilva76]

Public housing not that bad as long as you mind your business I don't know where you live but where I live they have built all brand new townhouses for low income people with the option to buy them

[JamesJB]

I live in Allentown,Pa.

Wow option to buy huh? I've always wanted my own home some day. Hope they have that here.

[JamesJB]

Bleh how rude I am :(

Im sorry for not saying thank you for the help. Thank you all! :D

[JamesJB]

This is a update to this;

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/real-e...-143767-2.html

Ok yesterday,Tuesday Oct. 24th 2007

My land lord William came by,I asked him if he wants me to move the stuff from upstairs 3rd floor back downstairs 2nd floor. At first he said yes and I agreed,then I remembered I had to give him my room mates sisters telephone number to him,and I said to him if he needs the go ahead to move stuff upstairs like he wanted he could call her. I then asked again if he wanted me to move the stuff from the upstairs and then he proceeds to say No and to wait till Thursday Oct. 25th.I was told by either Crisis or the magistrate (I can't really remember whio)that if the sister is willing to take the responsibility she would be able to give the permission. Like I said in my other post the landlord is basically waiting on my roommate's word to continue the move.

Well today Wednesday Oct. 24th,I woke up to a knock at the door,now the guy that came to day claimed to be a worker of the Landlord and he is saying that if I don't have stuff moved out by tomorrow he will have the police here and he will have me kicked out. He is also stateing that the Landlord wants me on the Lease(wich I agree) but this guy is also claiming that I have to now Pay the landlord the rent and not to my roommate anymore. The rent is already getting paid by my roomate's case worker at Confrence Of Churches,I told him.And that I'm not going to pay another 600 dollars when the rent is already being paid.Thats just insane I told him.

When this guy left I found a note on the door stateing I have to have all my stuff downstairs by Thursday and it was signed by Sandra the landlords daughter,when I left the building to go to the magistrate to ask questions I found another note on the door stateing the same thing but it wasn't signed by anyone.

While at the magistrate this time around they said they couldn't give any advice expect to ask a Attorney, :( I can't afford one,I can't afford 400 bucks a hour or what ever it would cost. I hear Attorney's are expensive.

I pay my roommate each month $420.00 now if I sign this Lease and according to this guy that came today I will have to pay the $625.00 or $675.00 rent each month,I'm not exactly sure what the rent is cause my friends caseworker always took care of this in the past,I need to ask my friend again what it is.

If it is true what this guy is saying about paying the landlord the rent,I can't :( ,if I did that,it would be my whole SSI check.I only get about $637.00 each month.

I was at ease for awhile cause of all the advice you guys and the police and the magistrate told me but now I'm so scared,I don't know what to do,I'm about to break down and cry,I'm so lost PLEASE help me Please?


P.S. Are most of you guys Lawers/Attorneys? Just curious. Really wish I could hire one of you guys but I can't afford one of yas,please don't be mad. :(

Thank you once again for the advice/help.

[famlee]

From what I gather from your post, your roommate needs to make up his mind what he wants to do and let the landlord know. If part of your things are upstairs and part of your stuff is in the apartment you are currently living in, then you are occupying 2 units and the landlord can not rent either out. I am sure he is wanting you two to decide what you are going to do and get all your things in ONE unit.

You need to ask your roommate what he wants and that he needs to tell the landlord this ASAP. Or just move all your things back to the original unit and forget about moving upstairs.

What you need to do is call your landlord. Tell him that you have no problem going on the lease, but would like to know the amount of rent you will need to pay in addition to what your roommate's caseworker is paying already. It could be a simple misunderstanding. What the gentleman you spoke with may have meant was that instead of you paying your roommate, you will know pay the landlord for your half. I am sure if you both go on the lease and you are each responsible for 1/2 the rent, your roommate can let his casework know this and she could adjust the amount that she pays on behalf of your roommate. So, if the rent is $625.00 each month and you are responsible for half, you would pay to the landlord $312.50. Your roommate's casework would pay the same amount on his behalf. Most landlords doesn't care which roommate pays the rent as long as they get their money.

[JamesJB]

So if I understood you correctly,I should sign the lease? Shouldn't I wait till my roommate is out of the hospital first? Cause according to the guy that came here today he said that the landlord wants me on the lease and if I understood him right id have to pay him 600 something.

I talked to crisis today and they recommend that I shouldn't sign the lease and wait for my friend to get home from the hospital before I sign anything. But they did say that they really can't help me cause it's a legal matter and I should talk to a attorney and at this time I really can't afford one :( .

Ive always been cooropertive with the landlord its just because my friend isn't doing too good right now mental wise my friend is the one stalling the landlord. I was also told that I should only listen to the landlord. Im just really scared right now. Also from the time this all started in Sept. I've been 100% agreeable about moving up stairs its just my friend isn't in the right miind.

I would ask my friend but I just found out today that he is in some hospital in Philidelphia,Pa. I have no way down there,plus unless I'm a family member they won't give me any info.

P.S. Did you read my other post at the link above to get the whole story?

[famlee]

So if i understood you correctly,i should sign the lease? Shouldnt i wait till my roomate is out of the hospital first? Casue according to the guy that came here today he said that the landlord wants me on the lease and if i understood him right id have to pay him 600 somthing.

I talked to crisis today and they reccomend that i shouldnt sign the lease and wait for my friend to get home from the hospital before i sign anything. But they did say that they really can't help me cause its a legal matter and i should talk to a attorney and at this time i really can't afford one :( .

Ive always been cooropertive with the landlord its just becasue my friend isnt doing too good right now mental wise my friend is the one stalling the landlord. I was also told that i should only listen to the landlord. Im just really scared right now. Also from the time this all started in Sept. ive been 100% agreeable about moving up stairs its just my friend isnt in the right miind.

I would ask my friend but i just found out today that he is in some hospital in Philidelphia,Pa. I have no way down there,plus unless im a family memeber they wont give me any info.

P.S. Did you read my other post at the link above to get the whole story?

I DID NOT say you should sign the lease. In your first post you said that they wanted you on the lease and you didn't have a problem with that. So, I said to tell the landlord that.

The decision to sign the lease is between you, your roommate, and your landlord.

You need to discuss your roommate's situation with your landlord and make him aware of what is going on and your landlord can advise you what he wants you to do.

[JamesJB]

I DID NOT say you should sign the lease. In your first post you said that they wanted you on the lease and you didn't have a problem with that. So, I said to tell the landlord that.

The decision to sign the lease is between you, your roommate, and your landlord.

You need to discuss your roommate's situation with your landlord and make him aware of what is going on and your landlord can advise you what he wants you to do.

Im sorry I didn't mean to make you mad :(

Ok ill do that ill tell him what's going on again just so he knows.


Just so you guys know I finnaly found a way to get ahold of my landlord and he did verify that he wants all the stuff downstairs. I started at 10pm and finished at 12:30am. So that's out of the way now..


Thank you and everyone else for all the help. Also I'm sorry if I got on anyone's Nervs :(

[famlee]

Im sorry i didnt mean to make you mad :(

Ok ill do that ill tell him whats going on again just so he knows.


Just so you guys know i finnaly found a way to get ahold of my landlord and he did verify that he wants all the stuff downstairs. I started at 10pm and finished at 12:30am. So thats out of the way now..


Thank you and everyone else for all the help. Also im sorry if i got on anyones Nervs :(

You didn't make me mad. I am glad you got the problem resolved of what unit you are going to live in.

You should talk to him concerning the lease and ask him if you go on the lease with your friend, if the amount of rent will change and if so, what the new rent amount will be. That will clear up that issue.

Just to clarify, you can even ask him if it matters to him whether you pay him 1/2 and his roommate pays him 1/2 or if one of you pay the entire amount. Most landlords don't care as long as they are paid.

[ScottGem]

First, I've merged your two threads. Its not a good idea to start new threads with the same issue.

As for the daughter and this other person. If they come bothering you again tell them that you have determined that William and his wife are the owners of the property. If anyone else claims to represent them, you need to see a signed letter of authorization from the landlord.

As for being on the lease, if they want to get a signed lease that both of you sign, that's fine, have them preapre one for you and your roommate's signature and you will discuss the terms. But as for paying the landlord directly, refer them to the caseworker at the Confrence of Churches.

[JamesJB]

Ok today,The Landlord,The Daughter,and the white guy with the beard(now I found out he's a Manager of the building) Came here.

At first they did want me to sign the Lease but now they want to wait till my roommate gets out of the hospital. Also Apartment 1 and 2 are combined as one. So the whole first floor is my roommates and mine.

At first they were going to charge me $200.00 extra but now they said they are going to take back Apartment 1 so now there is going to be 2 apartments on the first floor. And because of this they are going to waive the extra 200 bucks and keep the rent the way it has always been. Wich I just verified from the landlord while he was here that its $625.00 a month.

So everything is fine with that. We all agreed. Err except my roommate cause he's not here.

As for the daughter and this other person. If they come bothering you again tell them that you have determined that William and his wife are the owners of the property. If anyone else claims to represent them, you need to see a signed letter of authorization from the landlord.

LOL I tried to get stuff like that in writing,well while the landlord,the daughter and this white guy with the beard was here today .I did try asking for something like that. Well this so called Manager said No way! That's Never going to happen. We don't need to get in to that he said. (Yes he did say this in front of the landlord).Also I did tell them before anyone can come in to the apartment I will need the landlord to give me 24 hours notice or more. Well this guy with the beard said Nope that isn't going to happen. I said this like 3 times during the conversation I was having with them. On the 3rd time I said ill need 24 hour notice or more the so called manager took his 2 hands and slammed them on the banaster and said "No! am i speaking german or somthing? casue its not getting thru to you,and he said its not going to happen."

While this guy was talking the landlord didn't say anything nor did his daughter. I have a feeling I'm going to continue to have problems with this guy and the landlords daughter. :(

This part is a little hard to expalin;

Well while the Landlord and his daughter was downstairs,the Manager came in and said "shh.. this is a secret dont tell the landlord its a surprise. Im going to have alot people come in on wednesday to work on alot of stuff,like the doors,etc. in this apartment." Now this is kind of confuseing me,how should I take this? Is this somesort of trap to see if ill do anything or something? He did tell me that the landlord will be going to Florida soon,I'm guessing before Wednesday. Im afraid if I don't say anything to the landlord this Manager may say I did all this stuff myself or something. I don't mean to be paranoid its just I don't want to do anything that may give the landlord a reason to really kick me out.

Overall guys I am trying to take all of your advice and I do thank you for the advice but every time I try somehow it don't work. Seems the only way these people (daughter and this manager) will take me seriously is if I had some sort of lawyer or attorney with me every time I speak with these people. Cause alone nothing is working it seems. They think I'm just some guy that is confused and don't know anything. Honestly anytime this Manager or daughter comes by I feel intimiated <sp?> .

If I was rich I wouldn't have to deal with this cause then id own my own home. If I honestly could and I knew how to drive and had my own van or Pick up I would have moved out along time ago when all this started in September.

[ScottGem]

I would try talking to someone at Conference of Churches or your disability caseworker or someone similar. I think you need an advocate to run interference for you with these people. Just so you don't feel so intimidated and have someone to look out for your rights.

[JamesJB]

Hi guys,I know this is really old but want to say thank you for the help you gave me. You really help me through all that.

Just want to say I have tried like 7 times now to get on a lease but every time I ask the land lord he says "no need" .