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    Sep 1, 2008, 11:58 AM
    Did Jesus have to go Hades because he sinned?
    Did Jesus have to go to Hades because he sinned?I was just wondering if Jesus knew he had to die for our sins, wouldn't that be considered taking his own life. He knew what was coming.Wouldnt that be a sin? This question has puzzled me for years.Im very interested to hear your views on this subject.Wouldnt it be the same as suicide?
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    Sep 1, 2008, 12:26 PM
    No the ones who died before his death could not go directly to heaven so Jesus had to go to set them free from paradise.
    And no it would not be suicide any more than a soldier that knows he may be giving up his life by going into combat.
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    Sep 1, 2008, 04:17 PM
    Jesus went and preached to the souls in Paradise, not Hades. Those in Paradise had believed in the promise that God would send a redeemer, of which all the sacrifices were types. They could not enter into the presence of God until the actual sacrifice had been completed.
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    Sep 1, 2008, 05:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    Did Jesus have to go Hades because he sinned?
    Many Christians accept the trinity. How could 1/3 of a "perfect being" have sinned ?

    :>)

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    Sep 3, 2008, 01:49 PM
    For once, Cred, you are right. Jesus did not sin.
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    Sep 3, 2008, 05:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Galveston1
    For once, Cred, you are right. Jesus did not sin.
    For once ? When you do not intend that, you can be very funny!

    :D :rolleyes: :p :) ;) :D

    :>)

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    Sep 3, 2008, 06:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    Did Jesus have to go to Hades because he sinned?
    Jesus did not sin.

    I was just wondering if Jesus knew he had to die for our sins, wouldn't that be considered taking his own life. He knew what was coming.Wouldnt that be a sin? This question has puzzled me for years.Im very interested to hear your views on this subject.Wouldnt it be the same as suicide?
    Jesus is perfect man and true God. As perfect man, He fulfilled the Mosaic law perfectly. In essence, He was obedient unto death.

    Philippians 2 8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.

    Jesus practiced what He preached. He did not just obey God, but He obeyed men as well:
    Matthew 23 2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. 3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.

    What did they say:
    John 11 50 Neither do you consider that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this he spoke not of himself: but being the high priest of that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation.

    Therefore, Jesus was willing to lay down His life for those He loved:
    John 15 13 Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    I hope that helps.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria
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    Sep 4, 2008, 02:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    For once ? When you do not intend that, you can be very funny ! ! !

    :D :rolleyes: :p :) ;) :D

    :>)

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    It was VERY intentional, thank you!
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    Sep 4, 2008, 04:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Galveston1
    It was VERY intentional, thank you!
    In that case the conclusion unfortunately has to be in line with earlier observations : that you lack any sense of humor.

    :D :rolleyes: :) :p ;) :D

    :>)

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    Sep 5, 2008, 10:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    In that case the conclusion unfortunately has to be in line with earlier observations : that you lack any sense of humor.

    :D :rolleyes: :) :p ;) :D

    :>)

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    Don't you know when someone is "funnin" you? Lighten up.
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    Sep 5, 2008, 05:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Galveston1
    Don't you know when someone is "funnin" you? Lighten up.
    Yes I do. But you are not wellknown on these boards to ever be funny.

    :D :D :D :D :D :D
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    Sep 5, 2008, 05:47 PM
    to add to your question... if jesus didn't sin by allowing his life to be taken then did someone else sin for sending him here to be murdered?

    hmmmmmm
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    Sep 6, 2008, 09:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedInAK
    to add to your question... if jesus didn't sin by allowing his life to be taken then did someone else sin for sending him here to be murdered?

    hmmmmmm
    Acts 2:23
    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
    (KJV)

    The sacrifice of Jesus was predicted throughout the Old Testament. When mankind was delivered into slavery to sin by Adam, a ransom was required. A price had to be paid to set us free from sin. If you doubt that, then show me anyone who has never sinned (other than Jesus) Jesus paid the total price for all of us. It was the plan of God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost). To fulfill all the prophecies, Jesus had to be crucified. Satan did everything in his power to prevent this happening. Everything from attempting to destroy all Israel, Herod tried to kill Him as a baby, Jews tried to stone Him, Satan sent a storm on the sea to drown Him, but He was destined to the cross and NOTHING could change that, it was the master plan of God.
    Be glad in it, because you are the intended beneficiary.

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