[Wondergirl]

It would be OK if this was just your personal opinion, but you seem to be suggesting that it should become a sort of widespread standard. I'm not sure what gives you that authority.

It IS the standard! How do YOU think it happens?

I figured you'd be cheering because WG is finally following the rules!

[jlisenbe]

It IS the standard!

Says who?

[Wondergirl]

Says who?

What is YOUR plan?

[jlisenbe]

So it turns out that it's just your standard. That's what I figured. I'd still like to know where you feel you get this authority from,

[Wondergirl]

So it turns out that it's just your standard. That's what I figured. I'd still like to know where you feel you get this authority from,

It is THE standard!!!!! Do some research. Talk to a fully transitioned person.

[jlisenbe]

Why is it that you can never provide your own documentation? It always comes down to, "I have no idea, so maybe you can find it." No thanks. You need to do your own work.

[Wondergirl]

Why is it that you can never provide your own documentation? It always comes down to, "I have no idea, so maybe you can find it." No thanks. You need to do your own work.

I have documentation from women who have transitioned! I posted that earlier, all the agonies they go through. Why are you being so difficult? Do you want websites? Lots of those. Here's from one site: "The testicles are removed, a procedure called orchiectomy. The skin from the scrotum is used to make the labia. The erectile tissue of the penis is used to make the neoclitoris. The urethra is preserved and functional" according to WPATH Standards of Care.

https://www.uofmhealth.org/conditions-treatments/transgender-services/gender-confirmation-surgery#:~:text=Male%2Dto%2Dfemale%20sex%20reassig nment%20surgery&text=The%20testicles%20are%20remov ed%2C%20a,urethra%20is%20preserved%20and%20functio nal.

https://www.wikihow.com/Transition-f...rescribes%20it.

[jlisenbe]

You are describing what is done. That's fine, and I imagine we all knew about that already, but you have located NOTHING in regard to any established standard which you claim to know about and clearly cannot find.

This is what you claimed, and it's what you are being asked to document. "It is THE standard!!!!! Do some research." Now it appears that you cannot do what you asked me to do. Perhaps it was not clear what the subject was?

[jlisenbe]

I went ahead and did your work for you. These two do not agree with your idea. Perhaps that's why you did not actually look for them?

The terms "transgender" and "gender diverse" cover a range of gender identities and gender expressions. These terms move past the idea that all people can be classified as only one of two genders — female or male. That idea is called the gender binary.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...s/art-20266812

Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity or expression (masculine, feminine, other) is different from their sex (male, female) at birth.

https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/transgender.htm

[tomder55]

I use the umbrella term transformer. I looked it up and there actually are transgender and non-binary transformers in the world of make believe .

[Wondergirl]

I went ahead and did your work for you. These two do not agree with your idea. Perhaps that's why you did not actually look for them?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...s/art-20266812

https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/transgender.htm

And that is exactly what I've been talking about.

Perhaps it was not clear what the subject was?

Exactly! You and I are not talking about the same thing apparently.

[jlisenbe]

And that is exactly what I've been talking about.

Well, if you ignore most of what you said, then you'd be right. However, since this is what you posted, then you are miles off. "I have documentation from women who have transitioned! I posted that earlier, all the agonies they go through. Why are you being so difficult? Do you want websites? Lots of those. Here's from one site: "The testicles are removed, a procedure called orchiectomy. The skin from the scrotum is used to make the labia. The erectile tissue of the penis is used to make the neoclitoris. The urethra is preserved and functional" according to WPATH Standards of Care."

Tom pretty much hit the nail on the head. It is a sad deal for the people involved in it, but going along with their deception is not the right approach.

[Wondergirl]

That's exactly what is done. My New England friend recently had an orchiectomy.

[jlisenbe]

You are describing a possible treatment, but that is not the definition of transgenderism. You have it confused. A person can claim to be transgender and not undergo any of the treatments you claim are mandatory. So Lia Thomas, the man pretending to be a woman, claims to be trans, but he has never had, as you described it, the "bottom surgery". You claim he is therefore not trans, but that's just your opinion. There is no standard that includes that.

[Wondergirl]

You are describing a possible treatment, but that is not the definition of transgenderism.

I have no clue what you mean. I wasn't defining transgenderism. Transgenderism is a diagnosis.

A person can claim to be transgender and not undergo any of the treatments you claim are mandatory.

I didn't claim treatments are mandatory. Those are the steps that MtoFs have to go through if they want to become completely female. There are thousands of transgenders in this country who can't access any treatment because their religion or parents or superiors won't permit it, because they can't afford it, because they're too depressed.

So Lia Thomas, the man pretending to be a woman, claims to be trans, but he has never had, as you described it, the "bottom surgery".

He could very well be trans but has had only certain changes. (???) You've checked his crotch?

You claim he is therefore not trans, but that's just your opinion. There is no standard that includes that.

I did not. I AM surprised he hasn't gone any further with his transition, so, instead, he becomes one of those female-looking sorority sisters with an erection.

Interesting article:

https://thenetline.com/lia-thomas-transition/

[jlisenbe]

You have no clue? I don't believe that since you said this earlier. "If he/she is truly trans, then follow through with all that I posted in #145. Otherwise, Dylan is mocking all the true transgenders who have done or are doing the long, hard, expensive work of transitioning." You knew exactly what we were talking about.

I didn't claim treatments are mandatory.

You said they were mandatory for a person to be considered trans.

I did not.

Yes you did.

[Wondergirl]

WG: I didn't claim treatments are mandatory.

JL: You said they were mandatory for a person to be considered trans.

For a person to have completed transition. Is that better?

[jlisenbe]

Yes, it's better.

How's your husband doing? Better, I hope.

[tomder55]

Our slide into decadence continues on. The effect on the military is alarming.


Last year, the Army missed its recruiting goal by 25 percent. They expect this year to be even worse. The Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps began the new fiscal year in October 50 percent below their normal recruiting numbers. Public confidence in the military is falling precipitously, and even military families – from which most recruits come – are less likely to recommend military life.

What explains the decline? According to a November poll, the most common explanations included "military leadership becoming overly politicized" and "so-called ‘woke’ practices undermining military effectiveness." Another survey found that 65 percent of active-duty servicemen and women are concerned about politicization, including the woke training programs and equity-minded reduced physical fitness standards.

Troop retention rates are falling, too, and for the same reasons. As the report notes, "the perception that non-warfighting missions are distracting senior military leadership may alienate experienced, skilled and knowledgeable warfighters, incentivizing their early departure[.]"


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mili...ine-reason-why

Only a genuine move of God will save us.

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[jlisenbe]

Quiet day.