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jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 01:01 PM

I would never suggest that anyone, when asked for evidence, reply with, "Google it." It is the ultimate non-thinking, foolish-appearing, answer which makes it fairly obvious that the person does not have a clue.

Evidence for David/Jonathan engaging in sex is non-existent. Contrary evidence?
1. Jonathan was married to a woman and fathered several children.
2. David was married to several women and fathered many children.
3. David's great sin was an adulterous affair with a beautiful woman.

The nauseating suggestion about Ruth and Naomi also has not one ounce of supporting evidence. However, we do read that Naomi was married and had three sons. We also read that Ruth married TWICE, both times to men, and bore children. Her relationship with Boaz is actually the primary element of the Book of Ruth.

When do these responses of yours become embarrassing to you?

There is no evidence at all that gay people are born that way. I would agree that many of them did not choose to have those attractions, just like many child molesters do not choose to have their attractions, nor do those who like having sex with animals. Having an attraction does not make it normal or desirable.

Your question about being left handed is simply foolish. It is not at all a moral concern and there is not a whisper about it being a sin in the Bible.

Wondergirl · Mar 9, 2021, 01:43 PM

I would never suggest that anyone, when asked for evidence, reply with, "Google it."

You refuse to read posted links that we google, so do your own googling WITH useful and helpful keywords.

There is no evidence at all that gay people are born that way.

Of course there is! Let me connect you with a few of my LGBT+ friends.

Your question about being left handed is simply foolish. It is not at all a moral concern and there is not a whisper about it being a sin in the Bible.

Now I KNOW you don't read responses and understand them!

Your question about being left handed is simply foolish.

Ah, so you chose to be righthanded!

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 01:49 PM

You refuse to read posted links, that we goigle, so do your own googling WITH useful and helpful keywords.

Of course there is! Let me connect you with a few of my LGBT friends.

"Goigle?' At any rate, do you not know ANYTHING AT ALL? It is always, "Oh, I'll put you in touch with someone else or prompt you to do a Google search." Rather than a link, why not just explain what you know to be evidence? Put it in your own words. Just be prepared to defend it. If you know of scriptures that support your ideas about Jonathan/David or Naomi/Ruth, then simply post them. Think for yourself.

Now I KNOW you don't read responses and understand them!

Yet another content-free, information-free response. It really never gets embarrassing? Really? I would think it would.

Wondergirl · Mar 9, 2021, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It really never gets embarrassing? Really? I would think it would.

I'm permanently finished with you. You have absolutely NO interest in discussing, but just want to toss out nastiness and putdowns.

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 02:25 PM

Your choice. I’m not sure what you are after. I’m not going to accept your strange ideas without supporting evidence and you seem to get angry if I point out that you don’t have any.

paraclete · Mar 9, 2021, 02:40 PM

children, please stop the argy bargy

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 03:14 PM

Clete, I'll accept your correction. Honestly, I don't know what she wants. Her claims are very strange and completely unsupported, so I don't know how to respond to them. I'm sure I come across as somewhat rude and that is on me. It does frustrate me.

paraclete · Mar 9, 2021, 04:03 PM

JL, this is what comes of a liberal reading of the Bible, meanings are distorted, if it is all allegory then you can interpret it however you want and see darkness everywhere. She says on the one hand it is a message of God's love and on the other she dismisses the most basic tenets. God either created man and woman or he did not and created infinite diversity in humans. You can't have it both ways but WG thinks you can.

Wondergirl · Mar 9, 2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

JL, this is what comes of a liberal reading of the Bible, meanings are distorted, if it is all allegory then you can interpret it however you want and see darkness everywhere. She says on the one hand it is a message of God's love and on the other she dismisses the most basic tenets. God either created man and woman or he did not and created infinite diversity in humans. You can't have it both ways but WG thinks you can.

No, 'clete, it's not all allegory. Yes, it is a message of God's love in creating us, and no darkness. There IS great diversity in His human creatures (to begin with, are you righthanded or lefthanded, short or tall, lightskinned or a person of color?). Yes, we are infinitely diverse.

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 04:32 PM

God either created man and woman or he did not and created infinite diversity in humans. You can't have it both ways but WG thinks you can.

Pretty well stated.

There IS great diversity in His human creatures (to begin with, are you righthanded or lefthanded, short or tall, lightskinned or a person of color?). Yes, we are infinitely diverse.

And here is the crux of the problem. She takes a basically true statement about diversity of physical features and turns it into an excuse for sin. So it would certainly stand to reason that child abusers, wife beaters, dictators, racists, insane people, crippling birth defects, and all sorts of other tragic problems, including same sex attraction and gender confusion, are merely expressions of God's wonderful diversity. "Wow" is all I know to say about that idea. It's just incredible.

paraclete · Mar 9, 2021, 06:19 PM

I actually think it is dispicible, it denies God's basic plan

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 07:14 PM

Everyone is free to their opinion, but when a person claims to represent God, then that is a totally different matter.

paraclete · Mar 9, 2021, 07:22 PM

Opinion doesn't override God's word, In genesis God told Adam and Eve to multiply and rule the world, homosexuals cannot multiply

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 07:28 PM

I can agree with that. I obviously don’t do well in communicating with WG. That’s unfortunate.

Wondergirl · Mar 9, 2021, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Opinion doesn't override God's word, In genesis God told Adam and Eve to multiply and rule the world, homosexuals cannot multiply

Homosexual couples adopt the babies that weren't aborted and that are up for adoption. My SIL and her partner did exactly that.

And Eve's desire for knowledge overrode God's good intentions.

jlisenbe · Mar 9, 2021, 08:25 PM

My SIL and her partner

Possibly explains some things. And I don’t mean that in a mean way.

And Eve's desire for knowledge overrode God's good intentions.

Eve's desire was not for knowledge.

Wondergirl · Mar 9, 2021, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Possibly explains some things. And I don’t mean that in a mean way

Her being a lesbian was a well-kept family secret. I finally figured it out years later, but never had an issue with it. She's the nicest and smartest of the three sisters and had a wonderful career in healthcare.

Eve's desire was not for knowledge.

The Tree of KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil???

paraclete · Mar 9, 2021, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Homosexual couples adopt the babies that weren't aborted and that are up for adoption. My SIL and her partner did exactly that.

And Eve's desire for knowledge overrode God's good intentions.

Yes the knowitall was more powerful than God is that your take on Genesis

Wondergirl · Mar 9, 2021, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes the knowitall was more powerful than God is that your take on Genesis

Not more powerful, just sneakier.

paraclete · Mar 9, 2021, 10:04 PM

No when Eve ate of the fruit she knew good and evil her act in giving it to Adam was pure evil