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excon · Sep 30, 2012, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Washington Post details the incompetence of the security arrangement in Benghazi.

Hello again, tom:

Yes, it was a mistake... What it WASN'T was a conspiracy and coverup. You guys ARE desperate...

By the way.. Your news source said "U.S. Officials" decided NOT to bulk up security... Would one of those U.S. Officials BE the ambassador himself?? I think it WOULD be..

excon

tomder55 · Sep 30, 2012, 06:06 AM

No I don't think that's true . His diary tells a different story. The lie and conspiracy was the cover story the Adm attempted to forward to deflect blame.The coverup is the continued insistence that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.

excon · Sep 30, 2012, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The coverup is the continued insistance that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.

Hello again, tom:

Nahhhh... A COVERUP is when you have something you're HIDING... What, exactly, are they hiding?

You're candidate is Losing badly... You're looking for ANYTHING that might save him, and you're grabbing at straws. That's what this manufactured coverup comes from...

Good luck with that.

excon

talaniman · Sep 30, 2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

No I don't think that's true . His diary tells a different story. The lie and conspiracy was the cover story the Adm attempted to forward to deflect blame.The coverup is the continued insistance that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.

They have been using videos and news clips of politicians for years in the middle east as recruitment tools and talking points. The goal is to inflame and throw red meat at low information muslims. Its for power and control for the church, much the same as conservatives here.

They too want a weak central government and the elites and churches to rule over the masses in social issues. They too dealing plots and conspiraies too.

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 03:17 AM

It's amazing... nothing that is a scandal or controversy is a big thing worthy of comment and investigation... Benghazi-gate ;Fast and Furious cover-ups stone walling... aint no biggie.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

it's amazing ... nothing that is a scandal or controversy is a big thing worthy of comment and investigation...

Hello again, tom:

When you have the top Senate Republican saying his major objective is to see that Obama is a one term president, and you have Darrell Issa saying Obama is the "most corrupt president in history" with NO evidence to back it up, I'd have to say that you're looking for a scandal just a little too hard.

Now, I'm all for scandals... We have one too, and that's the Republicans suppressing the vote... But, you don't want to talk about THAT scandal

excon

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 03:56 AM

Univision's new expose on Fast and Furious will finally put it into the national debate . They are doing the job the Obama compliant press won't .

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Univision’s new expose on Fast and Furious will finally put it into the national debate . They are doing the job the Obama compliant press won't .

Hello again, tom:

Great... I can't wait for them to expose the conspiracy Obama is perpetrating in order to confiscate ALL the guns in his second term..

THAT'S why this stuff doesn't hang on... IF it was REAL to start with, the LIES the Republicans are telling about it, overshadow the scandal, IF there ever was one.

excon

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 05:29 AM

Nah no biggie . Thousands of guns smuggled into the country by a foreign government resulting in 100s of dead Mexicans. One could argue that was an act of war .

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Nah no biggie . Thousands of guns smuggled into the country by a foreign government resulting in 100s of dead Mexicans. One could argue that was an act of war .

Hello again, tom:

Yeah. It WAS a stupid program. But, the part you guys DON'T get is that it was a low level operation that neither Obama or Holder KNEW of. Even the IG said so. But, you STILL want to make a big deal out of it.. That has the look and feel of DESPERATION... Frankly, it always did.

If you WANT a scandal, look into WHY the Republicans kept HIRING this lying, cheating, company who committed voter FRAUD. What did Romney know, and when did he know it?

Or, why don't you mention the CRIME Ronald Regan perpetrated with Ollie North??

excon

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 05:52 AM

I'm on record as being a critic of the Iran Contra. As I recall that was thorougly investigated by an independent prosecutor , and it resulted in criminal charges for 14 people ;four were convicted of felony charges by a jury ; seven pleaded guilty either to felonies or misdemeanors, and one had his case dismissed.
So tell me the name of the independent prosecutor for Fast And Furious??

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

So tell me the name of the independent prosecutor for Fast And Furious ????

Hello again, tom:

Tell me the CRIME they're suspected of perpetrating, and I'll join you in your call for a prosecutor. When Reagan broke the law, it was CLEAR that a CRIME had been perpetrated... All you got here, is a bunch of fuming Republicans making stuff up. We don't usually hire prosecutors to investigate conspiracy theories.

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 06:18 AM

So people being murdered, including a Border Patrol agent, and letting guns walk explicitly against ATF policy, not to mention the blatant obstruction of the investigation, is just "fuming Republicans making stuff up."

Oh yeah, "Mexican authorities estimate 300 of their citizens have been injured or killed by Fast and Furious guns."

Read more: 'Furious' guns tied to 2010 Juarez massacre, other murders in Mexico | Fox News

But they're just Mexicans, right?

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 06:23 AM

P.S. Univision is about to create quite a stir about F&F.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So people being murdered, including a Border Patrol agent, and letting guns walk explicitly against ATF policy,

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation. Tell me, in ENGLISH, what CRIME Obama and Holder are suspected of committing.

Look. I KNOW you hate them. If they're crooks, I want to put 'em away too. I just want to know what they did. I've been asking, and NEITHER of you guys can tell me. Therefore, I conclude, they did NOTHING.

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation. Tell me, in ENGLISH, what CRIME Obama and Holder are suspected of committing.

Look. I KNOW you hate them. If they're crooks, I wanna put 'em away too. I just wanna know what they did. I've been asking, and NEITHER of you guys can tell me. Therefore, I conclude, they did NOTHING.

excon

So your only threshold for holding someone accountable is a crime committed. What is it they were wanting Bush executed for? I personally believe obstruction at a minimum, accessory to murder, and if nothing else a bunch of people need to be FIRED. I'm sure the families of all those innocent who were killed or injured could think of plenty of things they should be charged with. You? Apparently no big deal since a Democratic administration is in charge.

tomder55 · Oct 1, 2012, 06:42 AM

F&F was a bungled policy yes ;but the IG report clearly identifies high ranking members of the Justice Dept for wrongdoing... possibly criminal . It is more likely in the coverup where crimes have been committed . But we won't know without an investigation now will we ?

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So your only threshold for holding someone accountable is a crime committed.

Hello again, Steve:

To hold them LEGALLY accountable, identifying a crime would be helpful. Otherwise, it's a witch hunt.

If you want to hold them POLITICALLY accountable, you're free to vote for the other guy...

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 1, 2012, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

To hold them LEGALLY accountable, identifying a crime would be helpful. Otherwise, it's a witch hunt.

If you want to hold them POLITICALLY accountable, you're free to vote for the other guy...

excon

Tom mentioned we don't know enough without a thorough investigation which I've twice said has been obstructed. If you aren't concerned about getting to the bottom of a bungled op that led to many deaths in multiple countries including two (not one) American law enforcement agents, keep turning your eyes.

I'm absolutely floored that you don't think we need answers.

excon · Oct 1, 2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'm absolutely floored that you don't think we need answers.

Hello again, Steve:

I HAVE the answers..

While the OIG report found no evidence that higher officials at the Justice Department in Washington had authorized or approved of the tactics used in the Fast and Furious investigations, it did fault 14 lower officials for related failures,

You just don't LIKE them.

Excon